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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli security cabinet expected to approve Gaza takeover plan

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 10:18

Sky News report that Israel is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's plan for a takeover of Gaza when the security cabinet meets later today.

According to the Times of Israel, the full cabinet is due to convene at 6pm local time, 4pm in the UK.

Israeli media are reporting that the plan could potentially span over five months, and it is likely to be aimed at destroying Hamas and pressuring it to free remaining hostages.

While some ministers have been critical of the plan, reports suggest Netanyahu is likely to secure a majority of support.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

Gaza latest: Israeli security cabinet 'expected to approve' Gaza takeover plan - as aid trucks wait at Egyptian border

Israel's full security cabinet is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's Gaza takeover plan when it convenes today, according to Israeli media. Pictures show aid trucks waiting at the border with Egypt amid growing fears about famine. Follow the late...

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 10:21

Sky news: What do we know about the Gaza takeover plan?

Israel would issue an evacuation notice to the residents of Gaza City in the first phase of the plan, according to Israeli broadcaster Channel 12.

This phase is expected to last several weeks, and include the establishment of civilian infrastructure in central Gaza, including hospitals and camps for evacuees.

The military offensive will then be launched in the second phase of the plan, while Donald Trump would reportedly announce the acceleration of humanitarian aid in coordination with Israel.

On Wednesday, US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee told Bloomberg that there was a push to add 12 aid sites to the four operated by Israel and the US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

Channel 12 reported that the expansion would be funded by around $1bn in donations from the US and other countries.

The military campaign is expected to last between four and five months and involve up to five Israel Defence Forces divisions, according to Israeli media.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

Gaza latest: Israeli security cabinet 'expected to approve' Gaza takeover plan - as aid trucks wait at Egyptian border

Israel's full security cabinet is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's Gaza takeover plan when it convenes today, according to Israeli media. Pictures show aid trucks waiting at the border with Egypt amid growing fears about famine. Follow the late...

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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Growlybear83 · 07/08/2025 10:34

No doubt the rest of the world will sit back and let this happen as well. The situation in Gaza has got to the stage where nothing is shocking any more but I really struggle to understand how humans can treat other humans like this.

I saw a number of photos on the news yesterday of Hiroshima after the bomb, and it looked just like Gaza.

quantumbutterfly · 07/08/2025 10:57

Growlybear83 · 07/08/2025 10:34

No doubt the rest of the world will sit back and let this happen as well. The situation in Gaza has got to the stage where nothing is shocking any more but I really struggle to understand how humans can treat other humans like this.

I saw a number of photos on the news yesterday of Hiroshima after the bomb, and it looked just like Gaza.

Have a read of 'the doctor of Hiroshima' and see if you can spot the differences.

Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 11:19

I have read a number of the reports on various MSM about this and I still can't understand the practical long term implications for this . If Israel take over Gaza they will be left with a decimated landscape and a hostile population that will presumably now be Israeli citizens which will be a massive drain on Israels financial resources?
Or how will it work?

Plus the hostages families in the link on Sky News are deeply unhappy with this plan, why are their voices not being heard by the administration.

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 12:22

So, as for the hyperbole, around Gaza being a concentration camp, the plan will house civilians and provide access to essential services. Where do Israel's detractors expect civilians to go, in the absence of Palestinian neighbours taking them in - which we know will never happen. Of course, they get off without criticism for that. So, let's look at another alternative - Israel decides to up sticks and leave them all to it. They've got the financial resources to go elsewhere. While Hamas were busy building tunnels and setting booby traps, Israel got on with developing their infrastructure. Here's the question; what does anyone think will happen to Palestilians, if that were to happen? I will be reporting any posts, which compare Israel's official plan, to Nazi concentration camps. There were lots of accusations of misinformation, yesterday. Try posting by your own standards.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/08/2025 12:32

Plus the hostages families in the link on Sky News are deeply unhappy with this plan, why are their voices not being heard by the administration.

This plan is the opposite of a ceasefire, which is obviously what the hostage’s families want and what most of the world has been hoping for. But the administration have decided / realised that Hamas will never agree to a ceasefire and will never return all of the hostages. Western governments (including Starmer) have made things worse by offering Hamas international recognition of their state.

In some ways it is similar to Hiroshima. The war can’t go on forever and the other side will never surrender. So the only option (however unpalatable) is to end it quickly.

Israel as an occupying force ensuring Gaza gets rebuilt properly (rather than funds being diverted to dig tunnels) is probably the least worst choice.

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 12:38

No, Hamas don't want a ceasefire. When they carried out the massacre, their end result was already well calculated. If they don't care about their own people, I can't see why they would let the remaining hostages go; they use people as bargaining chips. Sick, but that's what Isrsel has been dealing with. I would say it's got to the point after so long, that a radical decision had to be made. This stalemate isn't helping civilians or hostages.

Growlybear83 · 07/08/2025 12:40

quantumbutterfly · 07/08/2025 10:57

Have a read of 'the doctor of Hiroshima' and see if you can spot the differences.

Just to qualify what I said - I was not in any way suggesting that there is a comparison between the action taken against Gaza and Hiroshima. My point was that the aerial photos I saw yesterday of the devastation to the city and landscape of Hiroshima after the bomb looked visually very similar to the aerial pictures we are seeing of the landscape of Gaza, ie that it’s been bombed into near oblivion.

Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 12:57

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/08/2025 12:32

Plus the hostages families in the link on Sky News are deeply unhappy with this plan, why are their voices not being heard by the administration.

This plan is the opposite of a ceasefire, which is obviously what the hostage’s families want and what most of the world has been hoping for. But the administration have decided / realised that Hamas will never agree to a ceasefire and will never return all of the hostages. Western governments (including Starmer) have made things worse by offering Hamas international recognition of their state.

In some ways it is similar to Hiroshima. The war can’t go on forever and the other side will never surrender. So the only option (however unpalatable) is to end it quickly.

Israel as an occupying force ensuring Gaza gets rebuilt properly (rather than funds being diverted to dig tunnels) is probably the least worst choice.

Where do you think the population will go? How do you see governance working in the future?

Newbutoldfather · 07/08/2025 13:03

This could be a good thing or a bad thing. It totally depends what the end game is.

If the aim of occupation is stabilisation, eliminating Hamas and deradicalising the population, with the intention of eventually leaving and allowing Gaza to be self governed (with a very different government), it could be a good thing.

But if the intention is to push the population out permanently into a camp and ‘persuade’ them to leave, then it clearly is not.

This does sound a bit like a Netanyahu/Trump plan and I expect the intention is for both of them to enrich themselves.

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 15:30

As a plan it seems very problematic. Not just for the people of Gaza but also for Israel and the Israeli hostages. What's the alternative though?

Hamas are just refusing to negotiate in good faith or to surrender.

I've heard it suggested that the purpose of the plan might be to motivate Hamas to negotiate from more of a solutions driven perspective - who knows?

Whether this plan gets adopted or an alternative one, I'm not sure a good outcome exists. It would have been better if Hamas had just released all the hostages and surrendered its weapons during the first ceasefire.

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childofthe607080s · 07/08/2025 15:32

It would have been better if Isreal hadn’t spent the last few decades slowly invading Gaza and the West Bank and killing those who got in their way

And that’s why expecting Hamas to behave nicely has been doomed

Isreal need to leave Gaza and then perhaps people will talk and negotiate Lthough I fear it is too late and too much damage has been done

as it is , they are an invading army from the Hamas point of view

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 15:43

childofthe607080s · 07/08/2025 15:32

It would have been better if Isreal hadn’t spent the last few decades slowly invading Gaza and the West Bank and killing those who got in their way

And that’s why expecting Hamas to behave nicely has been doomed

Isreal need to leave Gaza and then perhaps people will talk and negotiate Lthough I fear it is too late and too much damage has been done

as it is , they are an invading army from the Hamas point of view

It would have been better if the whole history in Gaza had been different, going back hundreds of years (or longer). It would have been better if Hamas had not gone on a killing spree on 7/10 murdering, raping and kidnapping men, women and children that day and in the aftermath.

But we are where we are. Israel have the greater military strength so it is Hamas who are losing more in the war - and taking thousands of civilians down with them by not surrendering.

This thread is about what Israel will do next because with the failure to agree a ceasefire deal with Hamas, they have to do something to end things.

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Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 16:06

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 15:30

As a plan it seems very problematic. Not just for the people of Gaza but also for Israel and the Israeli hostages. What's the alternative though?

Hamas are just refusing to negotiate in good faith or to surrender.

I've heard it suggested that the purpose of the plan might be to motivate Hamas to negotiate from more of a solutions driven perspective - who knows?

Whether this plan gets adopted or an alternative one, I'm not sure a good outcome exists. It would have been better if Hamas had just released all the hostages and surrendered its weapons during the first ceasefire.

Agree with most of this.
It's quite obvious Israel has "won" although I don't think victory and loss is as straightforward as other conflicts.

My only issue is with going forward.
If Israel get rid of Hamas through this offensive what happens next? If Israel take governance will another terrorist group spring up, same idealogy (same methods?) but a different generation.
And will the cycle repeat.

I think because the issue is so emotive and divisive no one is really thinking "straight" as such into the practicalities in the future.

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 16:17

Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 16:06

Agree with most of this.
It's quite obvious Israel has "won" although I don't think victory and loss is as straightforward as other conflicts.

My only issue is with going forward.
If Israel get rid of Hamas through this offensive what happens next? If Israel take governance will another terrorist group spring up, same idealogy (same methods?) but a different generation.
And will the cycle repeat.

I think because the issue is so emotive and divisive no one is really thinking "straight" as such into the practicalities in the future.

Yes I agree both that it's obvious Israel has "won" & also that the term isn't straightforward (they've won militarily but not necessarily in other ways such as reputationally).

I don't have the answers as to what happens going forward. There are so many questions and so few answers at the moment.

I know Netanyahu's plan is highly controversial even amongst his own ministers plus hostage groups etc.

But what is the alternative? Just continue fighting in the same way with more deaths, more hardship & hunger. How will it come to an end? I don't expect you to have the answer either.

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Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 16:24

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 16:17

Yes I agree both that it's obvious Israel has "won" & also that the term isn't straightforward (they've won militarily but not necessarily in other ways such as reputationally).

I don't have the answers as to what happens going forward. There are so many questions and so few answers at the moment.

I know Netanyahu's plan is highly controversial even amongst his own ministers plus hostage groups etc.

But what is the alternative? Just continue fighting in the same way with more deaths, more hardship & hunger. How will it come to an end? I don't expect you to have the answer either.

I don't have the answer at all exactly .

It absolutely has to stop.
Deaths of Palestinian civilians, hostages and nearly 900 IDF soliders , it cannot continue like this.

I'm just so worried that there is no neutral player to help come to a practical workable solution. And no appetite for concessions from anyone.
Like the Good Friday Agreement when America was a much better intermediary.

I don't think this is a good idea for anyone but it just all seems so helpless.

Martymcfly24 · 07/08/2025 16:32

PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN Netanyahu has said Israel “will not annex the Gaza Strip” and that it will be left in the hands of a transitional governing body, but he also said Israel intends to take control of the territory.

Interview with Fox News today so the details are still unclear about the future.

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 16:38

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 15:43

It would have been better if the whole history in Gaza had been different, going back hundreds of years (or longer). It would have been better if Hamas had not gone on a killing spree on 7/10 murdering, raping and kidnapping men, women and children that day and in the aftermath.

But we are where we are. Israel have the greater military strength so it is Hamas who are losing more in the war - and taking thousands of civilians down with them by not surrendering.

This thread is about what Israel will do next because with the failure to agree a ceasefire deal with Hamas, they have to do something to end things.

I can't believe somebody is actually trying to rationalise Hamas. I doubt Israel give a toss how Hamas views them.

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 16:43

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 16:38

I can't believe somebody is actually trying to rationalise Hamas. I doubt Israel give a toss how Hamas views them.

I wouldn't think Israel are overly worried about that, no 😂

I particularly liked the explanation as to why Israel can't expect Hamas to "behave nicely". To suggest that Hamas haven't been behaving nicely was rather an understatement!

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 16:48

Thank you @Martymcfly24 for the breaking news.

As reported by Al Jazeera:

In an interview with Fox News, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel intends to take control of the entire Strip, but does not want to govern it.

His comments came on Thursday shortly before Israel’s cabinet meets to consider his proposal to take over the Strip.

“We intend to [take over] in order to ensure our security, remove Hamas [from] there, enable the population to be free of Gaza and to pass it to civilian governance that is not Hamas and not anyone advocating the destruction of Israel,” he said.

He said in the interview that Israel wants a security perimeter, and that they want to hand it over to Arab forces to govern Gaza.

“We don’t want to keep it. We want to have a security perimeter. We don’t want to govern it. We don’t want to be there as a governing body.”

www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/7/netanyahu-says-israel-intends-to-take-control-of-gaza-in-interview

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Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 16:49

Fair enough from BN.

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 17:02

I wonder which country the "arab forces" will be from who will (apparently) govern Gaza? Who would Netanyahu trust enough?

Answers on a postcard.

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 17:10

Further details on what Netanyahu said in the Fox interview:

"We want to liberate ourselves and liberate the people of Gaza from the awful terror of Hamas," he adds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1mpe9x80xvt

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TinyIsMyNewt · 07/08/2025 17:22

Growlybear83 · 07/08/2025 10:34

No doubt the rest of the world will sit back and let this happen as well. The situation in Gaza has got to the stage where nothing is shocking any more but I really struggle to understand how humans can treat other humans like this.

I saw a number of photos on the news yesterday of Hiroshima after the bomb, and it looked just like Gaza.

There's not much the rest of the world can do - it all comes down to the US, and how long they're willing to enable this.