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Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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RainSoakedNights · 25/07/2025 22:46

It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

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Golden407 · 26/07/2025 11:21

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 10:49

You've "searched and searched" but not done a simple Google search on Hamas Leaders Luxury. The question really is why are you trying to defend Hamas by denying what is easily found on the internet?

I just Googled it and found a raft of articles, including:

New York Post Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles.
The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.

Daily Mail How Hamas's corrupt billionaire leaders cruelly lined their own pockets with cash meant for poverty-stricken Gazans - and you might have paid for it...

The image is striking in its incongruity. In the concrete and gloom, amid the detritus of terror and war, the wife of former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar makes her way through a tunnel – deep beneath the streets of Gaza – clutching what looks like a Hermes Birkin bag worth £26,000.

Sinwar himself was 'martyred', to use Hamas's term, in Rafah in the Gaza Strip last Wednesday. But others of the terror group's commanders prefer to loll in luxury in the Gulf state of Qatar.

Three of them – Ismail Haniyeh, who was assassinated by the Israelis in Tehran on July 31, Moussa Abu Marzouk and Khaled Meshaal – were worth a reported £8.8 billion combined. Meshaal, who may well be the next Hamas leader, is worth an estimated £3.2 billion alone, according to the Israelis. You could feed and house the whole of Gaza for that.

The three commanders are said to have lived for the most part at the Four Seasons hotel in Doha, with its two pools, private beach and the 5,300 sq ft Royal Suite that comes with three balconies and a grand piano.

124 News IDF raids luxurious vacation home of Hamas leader, exposing stark disparity in living standards

Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) shared footage and images capturing the lavish lifestyle of Marwan Issa, the deputy head of Hamas's military wing, during a raid on his opulent vacation home in al-Bureij, located in the central Gaza Strip.

The visuals shared by IDF Arabic spokesperson Lt. Col. Avichay Adraee showcased the striking contrast within the residence.

The images revealed an extravagant setting featuring a swimming pool, expansive yard space, and luxurious furnishings. This discovery has sparked discussions and highlighted a stark contrast between the living standards of Hamas leaders and the struggles of Gaza's populace.

Yes, I’ve seen all this, it’s not proof, it’s just hearsay that’s repeated without question or scrutiny by the western media.
Given Israels enormous success in assassinating political targets in extremely difficult circumstances how feasible is it for Hamas leaders to live lives of openly in luxury hotels in Qatar?
If Hanniyeh was living such a life why opt to assassinate him in a safe house under military protection in the middle of Tehran? Surely a luxury hotel in Qatar would be a much easier target?
Also that was not a £40,000 handbag.

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2025 11:31

ThisIsInsane · 26/07/2025 03:25

Hamas ramping up propaganda again as they were supposed to be negotiating a ceasefire which they don’t want as they won’t give up the remaining hostages and demilitarise

  • the GHF initiative is proving successful in Gaza despite Hamas propaganda so Hamas and affiliates are losing money and can’t pay fighters
  • the UN can’t keep up the lies about not being able to distribute all the thousands of tonnes of aid rotting inside Gaza for long, especially now it’s being exposed
  • senior Hamas fighters are probably dwindling with recent eliminations (and they can’t use only child soldiers)
  • the IDF have cleared 75% of Gaza so hiding area is getting smaller = flood the internet with pictures of ‘starving’ babies with medical conditions and AI images of kids with horrific injuries to provoke more raging fury at Israel to pressure a ceasefire with Hamas demands as above met.

Don’t need maths even. Just to understand Hamas MO.

That’s disgusting to say the images of the children are AI generated.

I suppose it proves there are still those who cannot and will not see

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:36

Radioundermypillow · 26/07/2025 11:12

I wonder why they haven't assassinated them or arrested them if they know where they are? Surely it can't be as basic as not wanting to pick on someone their own size?

No of course not … but the IDF can’t just go into another country and start assassinating people can they? It could lead to another war if Qatar buildings or citizens got damaged in the attempt.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 26/07/2025 11:40

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:36

No of course not … but the IDF can’t just go into another country and start assassinating people can they? It could lead to another war if Qatar buildings or citizens got damaged in the attempt.

Erm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

(Including various Middle Eastern and European countries)

List of Israeli assassinations - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:46

Golden407 · 26/07/2025 11:21

Yes, I’ve seen all this, it’s not proof, it’s just hearsay that’s repeated without question or scrutiny by the western media.
Given Israels enormous success in assassinating political targets in extremely difficult circumstances how feasible is it for Hamas leaders to live lives of openly in luxury hotels in Qatar?
If Hanniyeh was living such a life why opt to assassinate him in a safe house under military protection in the middle of Tehran? Surely a luxury hotel in Qatar would be a much easier target?
Also that was not a £40,000 handbag.

Then you won’t accept anything as proof that you don’t want to see.

That’s up to you but the evidence is there of Hamas leaders living in luxury. Not many people try to deny that.

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:46

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:46

Then you won’t accept anything as proof that you don’t want to see.

That’s up to you but the evidence is there of Hamas leaders living in luxury. Not many people try to deny that.

Provide it then. Post the links.

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Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:49

SomeWomanSomewhere · 26/07/2025 11:40

Erm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

(Including various Middle Eastern and European countries)

Most assassinations are in Gaza or Iran.

Any in Qatar?

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:51

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:46

Provide it then. Post the links.

Pointless… when people just deny what the links.

If people will only believe stuff coming out of Gaza and not information provided by Israel, US or UK sources then it’s pointless.

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:52

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:51

Pointless… when people just deny what the links.

If people will only believe stuff coming out of Gaza and not information provided by Israel, US or UK sources then it’s pointless.

If you have the proof, provide it. Go on.

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BelleHathor · 26/07/2025 11:53

Qatar is spared because it hosts the Al Udeid Air Base, the largest American base in the region and it is an extremely close ally of the US.

So much so that it was only after the Obama administration requested that Qatar open a Hamas office in 2012 that they did.

This was confirmed by Qatar’s Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani in an interview he gave to Tucker Carlson earlier this year.

"We are sure that every step we are taking, we are very transparent, coordinating with the U.S. and making sure that we are doing the right thing"

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:54

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:52

If you have the proof, provide it. Go on.

I already posted links above, there are many more if you google Hamas Leaders Luxury.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 26/07/2025 11:54

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:49

Most assassinations are in Gaza or Iran.

Any in Qatar?

Not to the best of my knowledge. But they did it in Dubai. And Belgium. And Malaysia. And Norway (they accidentally offed a Moroccon waiter instead of the intended target on that one). Just the ones I remember off the top of my head.

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:55

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:54

I already posted links above, there are many more if you google Hamas Leaders Luxury.

I’m asking you to provide it and prove your claims.

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BelleHathor · 26/07/2025 11:59

SomeWomanSomewhere · 26/07/2025 11:54

Not to the best of my knowledge. But they did it in Dubai. And Belgium. And Malaysia. And Norway (they accidentally offed a Moroccon waiter instead of the intended target on that one). Just the ones I remember off the top of my head.

There's an extremely detailed book by Ronen Bergman about the assassinations.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/22/rise-kill-first-secret-history-israel-targeted-assassinations-ronen-bergman-review-mossad

Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations – review

With remarkable access to officials and reports, Ronen Bergman’s revealing book lays bare Mossad’s kill operations

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/22/rise-kill-first-secret-history-israel-targeted-assassinations-ronen-bergman-review-mossad

Radioundermypillow · 26/07/2025 12:00

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:36

No of course not … but the IDF can’t just go into another country and start assassinating people can they? It could lead to another war if Qatar buildings or citizens got damaged in the attempt.

Oh god that's almost funny.

StopRainingNow · 26/07/2025 12:18

Steph117 · 26/07/2025 08:49

What do you propose? All stand around in a circle holding a candle singing “Don’t look back in anger”?

This is such a disgusting post, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond. The end does not justify the means.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 12:23

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 11:55

I’m asking you to provide it and prove your claims.

Reports of their wealth have been reported the New York Post, Foundation for Defence of Democracies, Daily Mail, i24 News, Middle East Forum, Fox News, Kings College London, The Telegraph, The Arab Weekly, Hindustan Times, Ynet News, The Washington Post & Sky News Australia - that's just from a quick Google.

Alexandra2001 · 26/07/2025 12:28

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:46

Then you won’t accept anything as proof that you don’t want to see.

That’s up to you but the evidence is there of Hamas leaders living in luxury. Not many people try to deny that.

Hamas rulers living it up and assassinations is irrelevant, just like in Africa and elsewhere, despotic leaders tend to feather their own nests first.

But its not the issue, no matter how defenders of Israeli govt try to make it.

The IDF have good control of much of Gaza now, they can, if they wanted to, ensure aid is distributed differently to how it was previously.

Golden407 · 26/07/2025 12:29

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:46

Then you won’t accept anything as proof that you don’t want to see.

That’s up to you but the evidence is there of Hamas leaders living in luxury. Not many people try to deny that.

This is the point there is no proof, just Israeli officials repeating it over and over again. That doesn’t make it true. Honestly if Hamas leaders tried living the lifestyles they’re accused of, they wouldn’t last ten minutes.

There’s a reason Hanniyeh was staying in a safe in a safe house under military protection and even that wasn’t enough!

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 12:36

Golden407 · 26/07/2025 12:29

This is the point there is no proof, just Israeli officials repeating it over and over again. That doesn’t make it true. Honestly if Hamas leaders tried living the lifestyles they’re accused of, they wouldn’t last ten minutes.

There’s a reason Hanniyeh was staying in a safe in a safe house under military protection and even that wasn’t enough!

Even when you see video footages and images of a raided Hamas leader's vacation home you refuse to believe it so at this point the links I provided are not for you but for others coming to this thread in future to read.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 12:42

Alexandra2001 · 26/07/2025 12:28

Hamas rulers living it up and assassinations is irrelevant, just like in Africa and elsewhere, despotic leaders tend to feather their own nests first.

But its not the issue, no matter how defenders of Israeli govt try to make it.

The IDF have good control of much of Gaza now, they can, if they wanted to, ensure aid is distributed differently to how it was previously.

It's not the most relevant part of this war, I agree, but someone else introduced the subject not me, I was just replying to it. At least you are not so far into denial that you refuse to acknowledge even that despotic leaders like Hamas leaders do feather their own nests first.

I agree with you that now the IDF have good control of Gaza the Israel goverment should be able to come up with a better method of aid distribution that the GHF (where there was never enough aid it seems or enough distribution points) or air dropping aid into Gaza.

SigmundinaCafe · 26/07/2025 12:48

StopRainingNow · 26/07/2025 03:53

Defending genocide and the starvation of children is never a good look.

Yeah, Hamas are just misunderstood social workers, didn’t you know that @ThisIsInsane 🙄

Alexandra2001 · 26/07/2025 12:52

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 12:42

It's not the most relevant part of this war, I agree, but someone else introduced the subject not me, I was just replying to it. At least you are not so far into denial that you refuse to acknowledge even that despotic leaders like Hamas leaders do feather their own nests first.

I agree with you that now the IDF have good control of Gaza the Israel goverment should be able to come up with a better method of aid distribution that the GHF (where there was never enough aid it seems or enough distribution points) or air dropping aid into Gaza.

Hamas are evil, what they did on Oct 7th is beyond anything the Israelis have suffered in modern history, that Hamas have stripped their own people is also not in doubt.

But none of that excuses the actions of the Israeli Govt in Gaza and also what they have done in the West Bank too, which are also evil.

The West has stood by & allowed the collective punishment of the Gazans, the only reason they are perhaps, changing their tune (i'm not convinced Starmer has at all) is because they are worried about any court judgement on Genocide/War crimes.

Dangermoo · 26/07/2025 13:00

SharonEllis · 26/07/2025 09:57

This is too silly. I hand over the baton to someone else to explain something so basic. Or you may think you have better things to do and I wouldn't blame you.

I had to read that post 3 times, to believe it!!!

ETA: the one you replied to!

SharonEllis · 26/07/2025 13:05

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 11:36

No of course not … but the IDF can’t just go into another country and start assassinating people can they? It could lead to another war if Qatar buildings or citizens got damaged in the attempt.

Its pointless, I think you are far too rational for this lot! The argument now seems to be that Israel should have killed off more Hamas personnel much earlier and in any country they happened to be. Quite extraordinary argument.