Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

Yes it does seem pointless debating with some people I agree.

Only worth engaging with those that show some level of balance in their thinking. Anyone that is fixed on defending Hamas from any accusation … is too far gone.

I’m not trying to be argumentative but there is no proof just serial claims from Israeli officials that this is the case. Even a basic level of critical thinking casts doubt on this

The innocence is adorable

I am sure the Hamas leaders are rich. I am sure they are in Qatar, or Somalia or somewhere. If Israel know this, then why are they still trying to bomb Gaza to fuck?

Israel have Mossad for goodness sake.

You are just wrong. If you choose not to 'believe' it that's up to you.

Most of Hamas is obviously in Gaza. Only the very senior leadership is/was abroad and not all the time. Are you aware that Hamas is the government in Gaza? Were you not aware of the attack on 7 October involving 1000s of Hamas operating out of Gaza? The hostages were taken into Gaza, not Qatar Are you aware of the vast tunnel network built in Gaza, not Qatar? Or the regular rocket fire, from Gaza, not Qatar? Is any of this ringing bells?

Well, tbf Sharon, you have no idea either. You've just chosen to believe what you want to believe.

That was the situation for everyone - not sure what to believe- until the footage of Gazans starving to death was circulated. Now its easy for people to believe in something, and that thing is that they don't want any more innocent children to die.

If this makes you angry, then I have pity for you.

I think you've mixed me up with someone else. Why are you making assumptions about my mood?. I was discussing the well documented fact of Hamas leaders living abroad and being very wealthy. Its not a matter of belief. Its a fact and it defies belief that anyone thinks its not true.

Exactly and @Radioundermypillow even acknowledged themselves that
I am sure the Hamas leaders are rich. I am sure they are in Qatar, or Somalia or somewhere.

So having acknowledged that some Hamas leaders choose to live in luxury abroad, I have no idea why they are accusing you of "having no idea" when rich Hamas leaders living abroad seems to be something you can both agree on!

Oh that's funny. Anyway, I'm glad that we have finally established a basic, incontovertible fact.

Now onto the other few thousand untruths!

I really wouldn't bother x

I noticed this from the beginning of the conflict - immediately as the news of Oct 7th was coming out, Israel only tells lies, the IDF are monsters and liars.

A young woman’s almost naked, defiled, slaughtered dead body being paraded through Gaza held up by her hair, and being spat on, hit and filmed by civilians was after all justified resistance etc.

That’s why I did a lot of research into the history to actually see if that was true and I was actually on the wrong side (my immediate reaction to be on Israel’s side in the aftermath of Oct 7th which was pretty natural for someone with no skin in the game IMO). Some of the pro-Palestinian propaganda is very persuasive and of course the emotion fuelled stuff is very hard to get past so I have doubted myself that I was on the right side but all that research did was compound that I was tbh.

I have no doubt there are baddies in Israel in the government and in the military, just as there are in every country, but the blatant orchestrated one sided propaganda can be easily deconstructed if you put a bit of effort in.

Agreed. I was never particularly involved in all this, but the absolute horror of 7 October, followed first by silence, then celebration, then a torrent of propaganda, complete abandonment of critical thinking and evidence. I've never experienced anything like it.

We must listen to different news outlets & know different people.

Everything i heard in the aftermath of 7/10 was very pro Israel, huge sympathy and outrage... there was absolutely no silence, let alone celebration whatsoever with anything i watched or heard.

No normal person would celebrate 7/10.

Baddies in Israel? thats somewhat downplaying the situation in Gaza and the statements made by people like Katz and plenty others.

They'll always be nutters, such as Irving but these are not mainstream beliefs.

You are not being honest are you? You know full well it was celebrated not only across the Middle East but here in the UK. I saw it with my own eyes in London. You say these people are abnormal. I think its much worse than that I think hatred of Jewish people is normalised.

The UK has a pop. of around 70m people, a tiny tiny minority demonstrated in support of Hamas, to pretend this was widespread and there was general silence/celebration about 7/10 is not being honest.

Factions in the ME have always hated Israel, thats nothing new, they ve had enough wars to prove that.

I did assume you were talking about the UK and its news media outlets....

Hatred of Jewish peoples is not being normalised, hatred of Netanyahu is, that i would agree on.
I think he has done the Jewish people a great deal of harm, he has given the false impression that what is happening in Gaza is done on behalf of the people of Israel...
He is basically fuelling antisemitism, which is totally repugnant on both counts.

Hamas, to pretend this was widespread and there was general silence/celebration about 7/10 is not being honest.

This. The post was worded as if this was happening in the mainstream it absolutely was not. Unfortunately these kind of minority celebrations are not new I remember certain groups celebrating after the 9/11 terrorist attack.

I also firmly believe that things would not have been let get as far as they have in Gaza if it wasn't Israel starving the population and if it wasn't Palestinians being starved.

First you said there was 'no celebration...whatsoever'. Now you are saying actually yes there was a tiny minority. I never expressed an opinion on the % of people that celebrated. It is notable tbat those celebrations were not met with much push back. Were the people wearing pictures of parachutes on the early pro-Pal matches shunned by fellow marchers? I never heard that they were. You yourself are minimisng the celbrations, having first denied that they happened at all.

You are excusing antisemitism and that is repugnant. Only an antisemite hold Jews in the UK responsible for anything that happens in Israel. Netanyahu is not responsible in any way for antisemitism in the UK. People who hate Jews may use Israeli politics as a cover and excuse. That is on them,noone else.

This very recent report shows that antisemitism has been normalised in many contexts in the UK as anyone who is on social media or pays any attention to wider society at the moment knows, if they are being honest.bod.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/commissiononantisemitismreport-web.pdf

I distinctly remember some people who’d been huge supporters of ‘Me too’, tying themselves in knots trying to deny that women had been raped or assaulted on Oct 7. Some prominent feminists and women’s rights organisations either questioned the veracity of the women’s accounts or gave some poorly worded response.

Never before have I had to argue that if a woman says she’s been raped or sexually assaulted, you should believe her. Apparently you should always believe women, just not Israeli women.

Did you not read what i wrote?

He is basically fuelling antisemitism, which is totally repugnant on both counts

Could i make it any clearer my views on AS? No i couldn't but for the pro Netanyahu contingent on here, they will accept no fault with the Israeli Govt or their hero, let accept he is stirring up anti Israeli feeling...

One can be pro Israel/Jewish peoples but also despise Netanyahu's actions.. try it?

The pro Hamas protestors came quite a while after 7/10, end of October, you said it was immediately after 7/10 & i was responding to that and in the UK only....the numbers celebrating were tiny and people who did were rightly arrested.
You also, i think, may have been another pp, said the media were involved too, all rubbish.

I suggest you take it up with the 'pro-Neyanyahu contingent' whoever they are.

Youf posts are so riddled with untruths its tiresome. But just for starters, loys of people celebrating were not arrested and the celebrations and pro-Pal demos started almost immediately. On the day a request was actually submitted to the Met.

Discussing with you is a waste of time.

In good faith here: I remember this one and I was one of the feminists who was not throwing her entire weight behind Israel over it (that said: I also never claimed it was all made up).

What bothered me at the time was:

• That it was never actual victims we heard from but surrogates for a state, many of them men.
• That, as a survivor of sexual violence, I felt pressganged into transferring my solidarity wholesale from individual victims, whom I never heard from, to the actions of a state I disagreed with.

I felt at the time that I didn't have the option to say "solidarity with individual Israeli women: yes; solidarity with the Israeli state and its actions: hard no" without turning into everyone's punching bag. Though that is and remains my position.