Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

Yet this quote history demonstrates how people dkn't understand what Im saying because they read it through the filter of their own prejudice.

Yet that is what happened. Do some research. Its all widely available.

What is happening is Yemen is also awful. But entirely irrelevant to the discussions on Gaza?

The only thing that is widely available is quotes from the Israeli government claiming this to be the case, there’s no proof whatsoever to support these claims

If Israel know that Hamas are living lives of luxury in Qatar, why aren't they applying their scorched earth policy to Qatar?

Well firstly I was responding to gross misinformation in a post that was making a comparison of the two conflicts.
but, I thought the main motivation for people's concern for gaza was that they were humanitarians. I though that was the issue? That we all agree that babies starving is unacceptable. So there are more starving babies and the blockading of aid and high levels of malnutrition have been going on much longer in Yemen.
So why is it that there is a mass outpouring of concern, campaigning etc for gaza but not for yemen?

This is too silly. I hand over the baton to someone else to explain something so basic. Or you may think you have better things to do and I wouldn't blame you.

Oh come on. You can't possibly believe that so I can only assume you are a propganda bot.

Telling reply.

Because, as with Israel and Gaza, the media controls the narrative.

I don't even know what that means. There is no monolithic 'media'. I have found no difficulty in finding information about Yemen. The difficult part is getting people to care.

I’m open to new information, if you have proof of these people leading lives of luxury outside of Gaza please post a link, I can’t find any anywhere?

You are competent enough to get onto mumsnet so I think you have the capabilities for a google search.

As I say, I’ve searched and searched, there’s no evidence at all, just Israeli government officials telling us this is the case. Does it not seem odd that Israel chose to assassinate Haniyeh at a safe house under military protection in the centre of Tehran.
Surely it would have been much easier to assassinate him in Qatar whilst he was out shopping at Gucci?

Im sure someone somewhere will snap you up for your incisive research skills and military expertise.

Yes! Hamas has poured huge amounts of money into tunnels, rockets and its military network instead of building real infrastructure. Gaza still relies on electricity from Israel and Egypt, with one local plant that constantly shuts down. When Israel ‘switches off the power’ it’s because Hamas never made civilians energy‑independent.

Aid theft happens. There’s documented cases of Hamas operatives taking supplies, sometimes even disguising themselves as aid workers and reselling them. Meanwhile, Hamas’s top leaders live abroad, mostly in Qatar or Turkey and have huge personal fortunes in the hundreds of millions, while the people they profess to care about, starve.

So at present, Israel is blocking aid into Gaza and says as soon as Hamas puts down its weapons, the aid will be released. Hamas is refusing to put down its weapons. If Israel releases the aid without a commitment to a ceasefire, they’re effectively allowing Hamas to loot the aid and thus continue to fund their war. And that’s where we’re at.

The only people who suffer in this vicious game are the residents who live there. Hamas needs to put down its weapons.

You just posted a very long breakdown of what is happening Yemen..... whataboutery.

If people are misunderstanding what you re saying, then perhaps thats on you?

You've "searched and searched" but not done a simple Google search on Hamas Leaders Luxury. The question really is why are you trying to defend Hamas by denying what is easily found on the internet?

I just Googled it and found a raft of articles, including:

New York Post Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles.
The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.

Daily Mail How Hamas's corrupt billionaire leaders cruelly lined their own pockets with cash meant for poverty-stricken Gazans - and you might have paid for it...

The image is striking in its incongruity. In the concrete and gloom, amid the detritus of terror and war, the wife of former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar makes her way through a tunnel – deep beneath the streets of Gaza – clutching what looks like a Hermes Birkin bag worth £26,000.

Sinwar himself was 'martyred', to use Hamas's term, in Rafah in the Gaza Strip last Wednesday. But others of the terror group's commanders prefer to loll in luxury in the Gulf state of Qatar.

Three of them – Ismail Haniyeh, who was assassinated by the Israelis in Tehran on July 31, Moussa Abu Marzouk and Khaled Meshaal – were worth a reported £8.8 billion combined. Meshaal, who may well be the next Hamas leader, is worth an estimated £3.2 billion alone, according to the Israelis. You could feed and house the whole of Gaza for that.

The three commanders are said to have lived for the most part at the Four Seasons hotel in Doha, with its two pools, private beach and the 5,300 sq ft Royal Suite that comes with three balconies and a grand piano.

124 News IDF raids luxurious vacation home of Hamas leader, exposing stark disparity in living standards

Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) shared footage and images capturing the lavish lifestyle of Marwan Issa, the deputy head of Hamas's military wing, during a raid on his opulent vacation home in al-Bureij, located in the central Gaza Strip.

The visuals shared by IDF Arabic spokesperson Lt. Col. Avichay Adraee showcased the striking contrast within the residence.

The images revealed an extravagant setting featuring a swimming pool, expansive yard space, and luxurious furnishings. This discovery has sparked discussions and highlighted a stark contrast between the living standards of Hamas leaders and the struggles of Gaza's populace.

So because Hamas leaders are total xxxx's, the people in Gaza have to starve?

The two should not be conflated, the starvation in Gaza is down to Israel blocking food supplies not because a Hamas leader is a billionaire, he acquired that money long before the present conflict.

Yet more Whatboutery to defend Israel's actions

I think it's the pictures of starvation, also testimonials from even non Gazans in Gaza, eg reporters, medical workers, that they can't get any food.

I think for many in the Jewish community, the dam is breaking too. I think a lot of my fellow Jews have tried to justify all this in their minds, because obviously October 7 was appalling. But that countless children who no one can pretend are to blame for that should starve for it, I think that has finally been too much. As it should be - and frankly should have been the moment it was obvious Israel's tactic was to starve Gaza some months ago. But a lot of people have been in denial - 'it's exaggeration', 'they wouldn't do that', 'it's Hamas propaganda'. Netanyu was relying on that response to cover his tracks, but thankfully I think more people are losing the will do that.

No. That's not what I said and it doesn't make anyone look good to put words into people's mouths that they didn't say.

Very obviously, I was replying to @Golden407 statement that they have "searched and searched, there’s no evidence at all" of Hamas leaders living in luxury while their people live in poverty.

There is a link between Hamas leaders living in luxury and the Israel government deciding that the previous method of aid distribution in Gaza was being abused.

I’m in the business.

it’s simply that hunger and under-nutrition take time to turn into malnutrition and starvation.

bodies can tolerate limited food for a period of time, and regularly do in some contexts, but at some point reserves run out. Then disease kicks in/systems start to collapse.

that’s what’s happening now. And it’s happening across the population since there’s been limited access to food for so many for so long.

thing is, it is not easy to recover from it. Even if mass food supplies in digestible form were delivered today, deaths would continue because many will be beyond the point of no return esp. kids/elderly/vulnerable.

I wonder why they haven't assassinated them or arrested them if they know where they are? Surely it can't be as basic as not wanting to pick on someone their own size?

Yes, and this the bit that does not really sink in even now. Even if the whole place were flooded with goods and services right now: some of the damage will be irreversible. Many of the kids of Gaza, for example, will inevitably experience stunting. Organ damage isn[t always fixable. And that is not to even mention any of the mental health implications. It truly is just monsterous.

Yep

My dd was very ill as a baby which led to her being malnourished. She was months under hospital supvervision to build her back up with all sorts of medications, supplements, vitamins etc. She was also tube fed initially with everything that went in monitored. We couldn't just start feeding her she would have died. It is from this experience, which I'm still pretty traumatised from, that I'm ashamed to say I just can't look at any footage at the moment it's too much for me. I'm heartbroken for these parents and their babies.