Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

I'm interested to hear too, @chiffontalks ?

For the Israelis to stop persecuting the Palestinians, for them (Palestinians) to live on their own land, safely and independently, and to be recognised and respected in the international community. Throw Hamas and others like them out of the picture and get a moderate political group to run it..I haven't figured out the next bit.

And for the Israeli government, to heed international law and remove the illegal settlers. And for all countries in the region to sign a declaration of peace. Stop with the threats and with the damn rockets , all sides. Recognise Israel as a sovereign country. And for the Israelis to finally elect a moderate government.

For the Americans to change their law: ban both political parties from lobbying on behalf of APAIC. Ditto British politicians.

And finally, Netanyahu and all his current bandmates to get trialed in the Hague.

I told you it was simplistic. And naive. And completely unworkable. But if I could make it happen, to stop starving innocent babies, I would.

It looks as though Israel are going to take over Gaza completely. It’s not a surprise to most people.

Good. Get rid of the terrorists, feed the gazans.

'For the Israelis to stop persecuting the Palestinians, for them (Palestinians) to live on their own land, safely and independently, and to be recognised and respected in the international community.'

The gazans had the place to themselves from 2005. Jews ousted from their homes, everything Jewish including bodies in cemeteries sent back to Israel. They blew all on the massive funding on weapons and building an underground network then kept attacking Israel culminating in Oct 7th. Hamas had their chance and blew it.

Even the Arab nations are demanding that hamas surrender whilst weaklings in the west want to reward them with their own little state.

The difficulty is that too many people think that Palestinian and terrorist are synonymous, so that it is necessary to “get rid of” The Palestinians in the same way that Israel has got rid of Terrorists (and of course “terrorists”) up to this point. Hence the accusations of genocide.

I think Israel has very good intelligence they don't just go on where people live. Look at that targeted attack on hezbollah with the pagers, they didn't just go for everyone who lived in Lebanon.

@Gloriia Oh yes, they’ll be keen to feed the local population. In cloud cuckoo land.

The GHS and Netanyahu saying "what is wrong with that?" when he was found arming some gangs with links to ISIS and IS in Gaza.
I think.

I think that is what has caused several nations to talk about recognising Palrstine as a nation in September.
GHS has been named as inhuman by the UK government, in their official website. That is quite a stetement!

Exactly. Yet they’ve absolutely decimated the entire landscape of Gaza and reduced it to rubble.

Because more and more people including experts in holocaust studies are finally calling out Israel carrying out a genocide.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/20/world/video/gps0720-israel-gaza-genocide

Sadly hamas built a massive underground network so destroying that will destroy what's above. The IDF at least warn civiliians unlike hamas who don't care what happens to gazans.

They don’t warn civilians. I’ve read countless reports now of attacks with zero warning.

They’re not doing a very good job are they- of targeting or warning, with 60,000 Palestinians dead.

'They’re not doing a very good job are they- of targeting or warning, with 60,000 Palestinians dead.'

According to the hamas led health ministry..

Those figures have been consistently cited by the UN, WHO, and humanitarian agencies on the ground. They don’t rely solely on Gaza’s Health Ministry- they cross-reference with hospital records, morgue reports, and aid organisations. The World Health Organization, OCHA, and even the US government have used these figures for over a decade because, in the absence of independent access, they’re the most comprehensive and consistent source available.

Add to that the satellite imagery showing widespread destruction- entire neighbourhoods razed- and mass graves being dug daily.

With 70% of homes in Gaza damaged or destroyed, and thousands still under rubble, it’s very likely 60,000 is an underestimate. The scale of killing is not just documented- it’s visible from space.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministry-quietly-removes-thousands-from-gaza-death-toll-researchers-find

"The discrepancy has made researchers concerned about the possibility of numbers being intentionally inflated by Hamas, especially since the health ministry’s figures are widely reported in international media and seen as relevant by the likes of the UN,"

That Euronews article is hardly a solid foundation for disputing the Gaza death toll. It’s a single news piece that relies on unnamed “researchers” and unverified claims, without any independent data or transparency.

Meanwhile, the figures from the UN, WHO, OCHA, and humanitarian groups come from years of careful cross-checking hospital records, morgue reports, aid organisations , and satellite imagery. These sources reflect the reality, better than a politically charged article trying to sow doubt.

Questioning this absolutely overwhelming tragedy based on one dodgy article isn’t critical thinking. It’s transparent denial dressed up as skepticism. With thousands dead, neighbourhoods obliterated, and evidence visible from space, trying to spin this as political manipulation isn’t just misleading, it’s callous.

It's not just a Euronews made up thing it is cited elsewhere, hamas' numbers are questionable to say the least. They are terrorists neither their stats nor tales are reliable.

'With thousands dead, neighbourhoods obliterated'

It's a warzone, these are sadly the consequences. Same happened in ww2, same is happening in Ukraine. Same happened in Syria. What happens is one side has to give in so all the pro gazan folk should change their placards from 'free palestine' to 'hamas surrender'.

If we dismissed casualty data every time it came from a government or authority we disliked, we’d lose the ability to track any humanitarian crisis. The Gaza Health Ministry’s numbers have consistently been used and verified by the UN, WHO, OCHA, and even the U.S. State Department. They’re not relying on Hamas “tales”, they’re collating names, ID numbers, morgue reports, and cross-referencing data. That’s why these figures have held up across wars, including in 2009, 2014, and now.

As for “it’s a warzone”: obliterating entire neighbourhoods with no safe zones, blocking aid, and killing tens of thousands (mostly women and children) is not just ‘what happens’ in war. It’s what happens in a war without rules. International law was created precisely to prevent this kind of collective punishment.

Saying “one side has to give in” to justify the mass killing of civilians isn’t morally or legally defensible. The world didn’t excuse atrocities in Syria or WW2 by saying “well, the other side should just surrender.” We mourned civilians, condemned war crimes, and insisted on restraint.

This isn’t about liking or defending Hamas. It’s about whether we believe Palestinian civilians (especially children) have the same right to live as anyone else. That shouldn’t be up for debate.

Cockerill and his team examined the names of 1,000 children out of 3,000 that the Health Ministry erased from its lists, and concluded that, despite the erasure, solid evidence exists that most of those children were killed.

https://archive.is/fQULe

Matthew Ghobrial Cockerill a phd student whose X feed is all pro gaza?.

Also, 'With the aid of Palestinian political scientist Dr. Khalil Shikaki, the team surveyed 2,000 households in Gaza, comprising almost 10,000 people.'

Palestinian political scientist Dr Shikaki?

Cockerill’s research isn’t based on social media posts- it’s grounded in data analysis. He found that of 3,000 names purged from Gaza’s Ministry of Health casualty list, 1,000 were independently verified via cross-checked records from hospitals and morgues. His conclusion: there’s solid evidence that most of those erased names represent real victims. That isn’t political bias- it’s data-driven verification

He’s a highly respected political scientist who founded the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR), known for conducting reliable, wide-reaching public opinion polls in both Gaza and the West Bank since the 1990s.

• He conducts face-to-face interviews using tablets, sends data directly to his Ramallah servers, and employs quality-control measures like paper backups with random data verification.
• His organization is funded by neutral, international donors like the EU and Ford Foundation, and he’s collaborated with Israeli academics, which supports his methodological independence.
• Claims of poll manipulation surfaced in IDF-released documents. However, Shikaki publicly rejected those allegations as highly unlikely and pledged to investigate.

If we’re dismissing someone’s methodology because of their social media or politics, we lose the ability to engage with real, verified information. Cockerill isn’t reporting memes- he’s using hospital and morgue records. As for Dr. Shikaki, his polling center uses rigorous methods, consistently trusted by academic and humanitarian institutions. Criticising the person instead of the evidence is a distraction- even from credible, independently verifiable work.

But honestly, some people could be taken to Gaza, made to live in a tent surrounded by rubble and starving children and they’d still find a way to deny it’s happening.

I'm not denying they're living in a warzone. This is life in Syria, yemen, Ukraine etc etc some folk only interested when the opposition is Israel though.

Hamas need to lay down their arms, free the hostages who they have tortured for 2yrs and let the gazans live in peace. They won't though because halfwits Starmer and Macron want to reward them with a state!

'Criticising the person instead of the evidence'

Yeah right and I'm sure you'd take notice of a pro Israel 'political scientist'??