Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

[RainSoakedNights]

It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

We’ve been seeing this all along in Ireland on RTE!

I think you should read up a bit on the evolution of the human race and developmental psychology. All races have this in them. Its a part of who we are. We are still largely uniquely sociable, intelligent and aggressive apes. Our higher cognitive processing masks this sometimes, and our societies are built with laws to keep us in check. Still, we are what we are, since human history began. English, American, Israeli, Palestinian, Chinese, we ALL have it in us.

Sadly, theres nothing here that hasnt been done before and likely won't be done again. The extra element is the 24h streaming of the suffering in support of the ideological cause.

Look away if it helps. Or read history, or theories of why we came to be as we are, how we develop, how we can overcome our darker sides.

But the constant demonization of one race on here is not helping either Israelis or Palestinians find their way to peace.

You seem a bit muddled. The current government is not responsible for the slave trade or the crusades or in fact anything that happened before the last general election.

Didn't get past Lineker being fired for "speaking out".

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Do you think the appropriate response to a terror attack is to enact a genocide?!

Yes. I can't get my head around claiming to support Palestinians and not be prepared to do the most basic research on how Hamas and their wider 'movement' operates. Even if you hate Jews why give a free pass to Hamas who are thoroughly corrupt, criminal and brutal. Why would you want them to keep using aid as a lever of power. Part of their wealth comes from selling aid at inflated prices to their own people. We should all be supporting Israel to set up an effective alternative aid system. Its a failure of the international community including Israel and the ngos that an alternative way could not be found.

Again, stating people hate Jews when nobody has said that.

Yes, Hamas are playing a role, but do you honestly believe Israel are innocent?

What do you propose? All stand around in a circle holding a candle singing “Don’t look back in anger”?

Just stop. It's embarrassing.

My god.

I knew some people believed Israel were in the right, but to openly admit you think killing children is an appropriate response to a terrorist attack (it’s not), is insanity.

The appropriate response would have been, as so many other western democracies do, to retaliate by showing that love and strength exist in the nation. To show that Hamas weren’t successful. All Israel have done is ensure that whatever is left of Palestine (if they leave anything at all) is a state that will forever seek revenge.

The Israeli govt is not interested in an effective aid distribution system.

If they were, then it would be just 4 centres, thats 500k per centre.... and teams set up to shot Gazans.

It’s from reading plenty of history, thanks. People make their own conclusions on the factors at play. History of politics is seldom a question of right or wrong - it’s written by individuals who have their own biases. And the study of history is the consideration of multiple sources to try and find the best fit of truth. My fit of truth is that we have inflicted terror and oppression throughout our statehood. Other countries have too, but we really have gone the extra mile. It is human nature, you’re right. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t constantly reflect and call out our states when they’re acting in the interests of white, male privilege.

For me, our history demonstrates a culture of arrogance and superiority. We’ve been the best teachers on how to bend rules for our own means. And how to write rules for our own means. No, the current UK government hasn’t personally committed most of these atrocities (did I really have to clarify that?), but you cannot ignore the history that’s come before.

Interestingly, we now have so much documentation that the retelling of history should become more objective. The Vietnam war was a good example of this shift. And the Gazan genocide is being expertly documented for all to consume, except for those who refuse to see the truth.

I won’t engage further. I have a sneaky suspicion posters are being deliberately obtuse in understanding these principles. Let’s hope they don’t work in any equity divisions for public services.

The terrible Yemen situation is basically a civil war. It's not one of the most richest countries in the world decimating one of the poorest. There has been a huge amount of intervention from the West over years in supporting Israel and hence people here feel we are complicit. Politically we have some sway in Israel compared to Yemen thus pressuring our politicians to act is possible in a way that it isn't in Yemen.

It isn't new and many people have long been aware. I have been boycotting Israeli produce since the 1970s (for all the good it's done before anyone points this out).

You are using shame and ridicule to shut down an argument.

How can you argue in support of a genocide?

Try reading what I said.

You consistently defend and minimise the actions of the IDF/Govt.

Often with a sprinkling of Whataboutery as well.

I have.

It’s the same tactic every time. Cry hatred and antisemitism while you watch children being killed.

@RainSoakedNights You must have been living under a stone! Hospital destruction, the huge clearing of residential areas, no aid being allowed etc etc etc. It’s all been covered and with awful pictures. It’s the ongoing consequences of this now being shown but msm has published a lot.

It’s been covered, but usually with a huge helping of “a Hamas base was here”. It’s edging closer and closer to the msm calling it out for what it is

It’s this kind of utterly ridiculous post that gets people disagreeing with you.

This is quite incredible.
One side in the Yemen civil war is literally led by Saudi Arabia backed by arms supplied by the UK.

Around 400,000 people have died not just in the conflict but mostly from hunger due to blockades, lack of aid and infrastructure collapse. It has been recognised as the world's biggest humanitarian crisis for a decade with about 2/3 population reliant on aid and agencies having a constant struggle to raise the resources they need.

Saudi Arabia IS one of the world's richest countries decimating one if the poorest. Depending how you measure it Saudi is one of the world's very richest countries, usually in the top 20 depending how you measure it. I have never seen a table that put Israel above Saudi for wealth Yemen is in the bottom 10 poorest countries in the world by any measure.

Saudi is comfortably the world's biggest defence spender and was recently the UK's largest arms trading partner. Dwarfing exports to Israel.

Also worth noting Qatar is vastly wealthy, a huge defence spender and Hamas's great protector.

Ismail Haniyeh is dead, assassinated in a safe house in Tehran. A huge number of Iranian military leaders and scientists were assassinated in their homes in Iran.
Israel has a rich and highly successful history of assassinating opposition leaders in hard to reach places. The idea that Hamas leaders would be free to live lives of luxury in Qatar or anywhere else is ludicrous.