Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

How arrogant to decide what a thread needs!

It’s not arrogant. It’s free thinking.

This! Apologies to all the desperate pro Israeli government posters, but clearly other nations have realised which way the wind is blowing and it doesn't look great for Israel.

I disagree.

I think most countries simply now think further steps need to be taken towards a resolution. Prior to that many will have believe that Israel’s response was proportionate up to this point.

You can’t launch a terrorist attack on a country in the manner that Hamas did and expect no response.

I feel sorry for Israel and for Jewish people as a whole. The levels of anti semitism
are off the scale. It has pretty much become an accepted form of discrimination in the UK and more widely.

I have no time for regimes operated by democratically appointed terrorist organisations. Maybe this conflict will be a stark reminder to others who favour terrorism that it won’t all be one sided.

What is wrong with you?

What about Yemen?
Why is Gaza always the main focus?
Why do some British people protest holding Palestinian flags. If the Jewish Brits went out protesting holding Israeli flags then it’s likely civil unrest would break out into our streets.
There is something very wrong about all of this.

And if that resolution is a two state solution?

There are very few pro Israeli government posters on this board. It is interesting how the Israel haters have no way of understanding that people can be anti Hamas, want some vaguely rational fact-based debate and support the state of Israel without being actual supporters of Netanyahu.

Fact based debate? There is someone on the thread saying the pictures we see are AI and children with medical conditions.

It’s truly mind blowing.

There is. We aren’t used to seeing one nation starving another, and killing some of the people like journalists who can expose it.

100% Starmer going along with air drops.... FFS Gaza needs 1000s of tones of food, not a pallet dropped onto desperate people.

Refusing to recognise the state of Palestine, again, total weakness.

He is complicit alright and no amount of handwringing will let him off this hook.

The narrative hasn't really changed at all, Israeli rulers will do whatever they want, until Trump forces them to change... European leaders stepping up now, can force him to change.

We had someone say there's no Hamas in the West Bank. Play that game all day if you like.

The point is when you try to actually move the debate away from soundbites and half truths and remind people that Hamas had a pretty significant role to play in this mess someone will scream that you support starving babies and you are an uncritical supporter of the extremist fringe in Israel.

Exactly this. I worked in Aid for a lot of years, If people knew how much theft and corruption goes on, they’d likely never give another penny.

Many also don’t realise that Hamas is just another iteration of all the other fundamentalist groups in the region. They don’t give a stuff about the people - their arm is global eradication of Jews and the creation of an Islamic state which will finally defeat the ‘evils of the West’. To them, it’s not really about Gaza - their sights are set on total annihilation. And when Hamas is finally crushed (as they inevitably will be), another iteration of the same group will pop up elsewhere, hook itself to another similar cause and the wars will continue.

But in the minds of many, Israel is the only one to blame.

Well you should be used to it. It happens all the time around the world. Its just that for some reason some people don't pay the slightest bit of notice till Israel is involved.

Well when it comes to starving children, the only response should be how to we get food to them.

There’s people on here who need their heads and moral compasses checked. If now isn’t when you’d start to distance yourself from Israel, then I don’t know what else would provoke that. They are a terrorist state. As are we. Always have been and it looks as though we always will be. It’s desperately sad.

Yes, the media is talking more now. I don’t anticipate anything changing. Israel are propped up by the orange mad man and we only have one European leader willing to break from US. Israel can continue. I really see no way of this ending. Gazans face an awful death

Hamas triggered this latest tragedy, there is no doubt, listening to the testimony of a UK hostage this morning, absolutely terrible but that does not excuse deliberately starving 2m people.

It is the Israeli Govt that is allowing in so little food, enough for about 1 meal every 7 days for the 2m people there.

Are pro Israeli govt posters really saying that Hamas still has huge stock piles of food in the 1000s of tonnes required?

Where on earth are they keeping this food???

Even now, they will only allow air drops, which are dangerous and symbolic, as one MP put it "a grotesque form of the Hunger Games"

You see this is what Im talking about. We are not and have not always been a 'terrorist state'. You can't reason with someone for whom words have lost all meaning.

Talk about whataboutery, there are emergency appeals for all the various humanitarian disasters around the world, TV and radio coverage too.

The difference here is we are actively supporting Israel in what they doing, still here you are, daily, defending their actions,

I agree.

If Israel were flooding Gaza with food, allowing external aid agencies in, not murdering doctors, aid workers and food distributors, while still looking for Hamas (which they seem unbelievably bad at), then the world's opinion would be more balanced.

At the moment the Israeli government stance seems to be - we can't actually find and root out Hamas, so we'll just kill everyone and raze Gaza to the ground.

The only way is IDF opens up the roads & allows in 1000s of lorries, aid distributed by UN and other NGO's.

Butt that is not going to happen.

Former US special forces officer employed as a contractor, says IDF and others shot civilians trying to collect food, he says the level of brutality towards Gazans was the worst he'd ever seen.

Very similar to the US in Vietnam in fact. And look how public opinion went on that one.

We are a terrorist state. Look at what we did to Ireland, Scotland, the crusades, African countries (hell, even many of their borders were carved up by us as a Sunday pastime), Iraq, the Caribbean, slave trade, Australian and American indigenous populations. We have historically roved near and far and caused terror. The majority of the victims were black and brown skinned, speaking different languages and with different cultures. Their voices are not as loud in the history books, and sadly many fools are incapable of reading between the lines.

This helpfully allowed us to create difference and superiority. Self-governance couldn’t be trusted in such dangerous hands. Does any of it sound familiar?

We, as a nation, are sick in the head. You’re barking up the wrong tree if you’re thinking the UK government is actually decent.

it is a week that they are concentrating on it, a special for a week.
next week it wont be mentioned, again