To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

[ArtfulGoldWriter]

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

Because it’s your assumption that everything should be seen through the lens of Hamas. And it’s not for everyone. And that’s ok for medical doctors who work for humanitarian orgs.

Some people just want to help sick kids. They don’t have a moral obligation to comment on hostage situations.

Is this the interview you are talking about?

She said there was "a tangible difference in the amount of starvation and the emaciation of our patients" during the three weeks she was in Gaza, adding: "Even the severity of and relentlessness of the bombings was worse.
"It was mass casualty after mass casualty, with people being blown up in their tents, which were meant to be in green zones. The situation was catastrophic."

'But what if she hasnt ACTUALLY seen any hostages or Hamas?'

She hadn't ACTUALLY seen any other things she was commenting on like drone attacks and distribution points but was happy to share third party opinions in those instances.

They have to be consistent these humanitarians. Either share opinions about all relevant issues, or only do so if witnessed first hand. 'Never saw a hostage or hamas' is a bit of a cop out.

But my point is that you are assuming the only thing she should care about is Hamas and the hostages because it’s the only thing you care about. It’s become somehow compulsory to mention the hostages. But it’s ok for her not to do so- or to mention Hamas at every point.

But many of these humanitarians have worked in Gaza for decades so it’s fine for them to focus on the children of Gaza and the communities that they have worked in.

The whataboutery is terrible. Why should doctors not just focus on the kids they went there to treat?

It’s terrible about that video. Nobody should be purposely starved. I honestly don’t know why you would expect someone who hasn’t seen a hostage or cared for a hostage or heard about a hostage to mention the hostages. They are talking about their experiences.

Surely we should respect that these doctors have gone to Gaza and risked their lives to save lives and provide medical care.

Of anyone you could be criticising in this crisis, why criticise those who are actually doing something to help?

'It’s terrible about that video. Nobody should be purposely starved. I honestly don’t know why you would expect someone who hasn’t seen a hostage or cared for a hostage or heard about a hostage to mention the hostages. They are talking about their experiences.'

No, they aren't talking about their experiences. The woman today hadn't been at the drone strike? She was happy to share that story though. They are repeating what people have told them. Adding a dismissive 'never seen hamas' implying they aren't running the shitshow.

If they are humanitarians they should also share concern for hostages and the distressing images which we've all seen today.

No, they shouldn’t have to constantly apologise if their focus is kids in Gaza. They shouldn’t have to preface every statement with hostages and Hamas. They should be allowed to get on with their work.

Its ridiculous whataboutery.

The woman today hadn't been at the drone strike?
No she treats the patients injured from them why don't you understand that? Doctors tend to know injuries and what the likely cause of them is. When you go to hospital with an injury what's the first question you're asked? "How did this happen" multiply that by quite a few people, assess the injuries a picture begins to emerge.....
You don't believe anyone in Gaza that is not IDF or Israeli government spokespeople so people are wasting their time on this.

'Its ridiculous whataboutery'

The hostages are ridiculous whataboutery.

She is allegedly a humanitarian. She should show show concern for all those suffering because of this conflict. Her dismissive 'didn't see hamas' spoke volumes. Almost as if implying they aren't a problem.

Her dismissive 'didn't see hamas' spoke volumes. Almost as if implying they aren't a problem.

So would you prefer her to lie to satisfy you? "Her dismissive" that's just your opinion on how she sounded. I find it pretty interesting that after hearing her account of what she witnessed this is your only come away from it, that speaks volumes to me tbh

Gazans live in peace? Don't make me laugh. There was never peace. We weren't all collectively born on Oct 7, Gloriia.

And yes, we're sick of it. It's tired, old, flimsy, repeatedly trotted out excuses. Next.

I think the two state solution is now a definition of hollow words. Even if Gazans gained some sort of statehood the momentum for the Palestinian cause is such that the Gazan population will be loathe to give this up as they will cling on to the anti Semitic dream of a Palestinian state including Israel. I think observers of this conflict are being deceived by not being shown the full amount of hatred for Jews that is present within the Palestinian population (and this is now to say there isn't a reciprocal feeling amongst some Israelis).

We have two global communities I think the world could soberly agree can not live in peace next to each other and we have the prospect of an eternal conflict and our headlines being peppered with conflict reporting until doomsday. No one has seriously suggested what a long term peace may look like in a long time since October 7th and surely that is a concern.

It is at this point we have to revisit the pragmatic humanitarian notion of the voluntary displacement of Palestinian communities to other Arab nations and how this could be done. This is not 'ethnic cleansing ' but the pragmatic realisation that in the absence of peace or governments within Gaza or Israel willing to seek peace then the alternative is to watch the current suffering ad infinitum.

Gaza is too small economically to exist as a state and will be reliant on foreign aid for decades of not centuries. It will be the global equivalent of a welfare recipient with occasional violent tendencies and as such can offer no real hope of quality lives to the innocent portion of its people. No one has suggested how to make Hamas disarm and I think a reality is that possibly Gazans will now not accept a government that want to forge peace with its neighbour Israel after this nearly 2 year war. Lessons have to be learnt from the past and after WW1 imposing humiliating surrender terms on the Germans and a weak government in an attempt to find peace only resulted in the rise of Hiltler. We can not build a state based on hate for its neighbour or find it when it will channel the funds to war and terrorism.

If there are alternative suggestions then how can they be taken seriously currently?

No, your constant expectation that every single statement about gaza should include the hostages is ridiculous whataboutery. Your dismissal of any doctor who is working there who doesn’t immediately mention Hamas or the hostages.

There are 2 million people in Gaza, 1 million of whom are children. As I said, and you chose to misinterpret, there are doctors working there who have been going there for decades. They don’t have to mention Hamas or the hostages in every single sentence and get guilt tripped at every opportunity.

Stop misinterpreting everything through a Hamas lens as I have already said.

I think part of the issue that is being ignored here is how much of the land has been violently stolen by Israeli settlers. Gaza is only small because the population have been forced onto that strip

A peace process has to acknowledge the boundaries from 1967 and what happened in the six day war.

Israel will have to cede territory stolen illegally by settlers.

No, she’s probably fucking sick of being asked about it when she is treating kids who have had their legs blown off - gods sake.

They are doctors and surgeons trying to help a population who have been under blockade for nearly 20 years.

Israel will have to cede territory stolen illegally by settlers.

Will they though? To be clear, I don't agree with the Settlers at all. But I'm not sure how anyone can make Israel give that land back. Since they are "winning" the war, it follows that they will end up giving fewer concessions than Hamas to end it. I feel like only Trump could make them do so, realistically, and that doesn't seem to be his intention.

Yes you are right- they won’t give the land back- and that is why everything that has happened since has happened pretty much.

Any peace process requires concessions - often major concessions - look what had to happen in the Irish peace process for peace to occur- both Hamas and Netenyahu have to go as a start point I would imagine! Israel deserves better than an extremist in power as much as the Palestinians do too!

I agree that Israel deserves a better, more moderate leader and I believe strongly that they will get one after the next election.

Concessions on both sides yes but when wars end it is the side that most needs to surrender that gives more concessions. Israel will have to make concessions too, but I really can't see that any country can make them give land back. Time will tell and maybe I'm wrong about that but the reality is that only the US could make them.

So doctors who work for medicins sans frontieres are forced to go wherever they are sent? Really? I didn't know that.
Doctors havent signed the Hippocratic oath for decades and the idea that Doctors arent politically motivated is just odd. They are humans. Of course they are politically motivated.

The hostages, oct 7th mass murder committed by terrorists are 'tired old flimsy excuses'.

It is appalling how you talk about atrocities this way and I notice how not one pro gazan poster comments to pull you up on it. It's as if it's all so very normalised and accepted among some of you. Nothing to see here let's focus on hamas propaganda, those bastions of truth and morality.

No, doctors are mostly motivated by helping injured people.

They aren’t all Hamas supporting terrorists as some of the posters on here would lead everyone to believe.

Nor are all the humanitarian agencies. I work widely with people in these groups and they are mostly dedicated people motivated by helping others.

The propaganda to the opposite is offensive and ludicrous.

@ArtfulGoldWriter are all medecins sans frontieres doctors forced to wherever they are sent?

Why are you using the word ‘forced’?

These people choose to work for an international medical NGO that works in multiple countries.

They go where they are needed. The original implication was that they are all Hamas supporting terrorists placed in Gaza to do propaganda work because they aren’t mentioning Hamas or hostages in every other sentence.

It’s utter nonsense. They are ‘doctors without borders’ as the name says. They work in medical emergency situations around the world.

As per MSF online:

Operational need not ‘are you a Hamas supporter’ 🙄