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Conflict in the Middle East

There is no clean water left in Gaza

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/07/2025 03:08

There is currently no access to safe drinking water in Gaza. Families are being forced to drink contaminated water from sewage or agricultural runoff.

This is a man-made humanitarian catastrophe- not a natural disaster. This isn’t just a crisis, it’s a form of collective punishment.

Gaza faces a man-made drought as water systems collapse, UNICEF says

GENEVA (Reuters) -Gaza is facing a man-made drought as its water systems collapse, the United Nations' children agency said on Friday. "Children will begin to die of thirst ... Just 40% of drinking

https://theprint.in/world/gaza-faces-a-man-made-drought-as-water-systems-collapse-unicef-says/2664470/

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Jumpupjumphigh · 23/07/2025 18:49

PurpleChrayn · 21/07/2025 16:02

Did we provide water to Germany when we were at war with them?

Did we knowingly and deliberately destroy civilian infrastructure to the point where they could access any? And then shoot them as they attempted to receive aid?

quantumbutterfly · 23/07/2025 19:00

Jumpupjumphigh · 23/07/2025 18:49

Did we knowingly and deliberately destroy civilian infrastructure to the point where they could access any? And then shoot them as they attempted to receive aid?

Probably, and they did the same to us.

Kakeandkake · 23/07/2025 19:04

UpsideDownChairs · 21/07/2025 07:02

Egypt should open the border as a 3rd party, they have the power to do this - rather than expect Israel to do this for a country they are at war with.

Israel control the Egyptian border right now. Don't you know? Who are you at war with?

Kakeandkake · 23/07/2025 19:06

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 23/07/2025 18:05

So Israel are willfully starving innocent babies because of Hamas? Not sure you understand what you're admitting to.....

Yeah, this.
Some pro-Israeli lot will go to any extremes to justify starving babies.

Igotjelly · 23/07/2025 19:53

Madcatdudette · 23/07/2025 11:21

Lol. If Hamas fucked off and let a non terrorist government take over you’d find that the babies won’t be suffering so much.

Your responses on this thread are absolutely disgusting.

I personally have a lot of sympathy with the Israeli people and their desire for justice after Oct 7th (though absolutely think what we’re seeing now amounts to war crimes and collective punishment) but how on earth can you be so callous? Those suffering are largely innocent people. Mothers are holding their babies whilst they starve to death in their arms, powerless to feed them.

Hamas no longer have the power to change this, Israel as we’ve seen hold the cards to resolving the current iteration of the bloodshed.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 19:54

Igotjelly · 23/07/2025 19:53

Your responses on this thread are absolutely disgusting.

I personally have a lot of sympathy with the Israeli people and their desire for justice after Oct 7th (though absolutely think what we’re seeing now amounts to war crimes and collective punishment) but how on earth can you be so callous? Those suffering are largely innocent people. Mothers are holding their babies whilst they starve to death in their arms, powerless to feed them.

Hamas no longer have the power to change this, Israel as we’ve seen hold the cards to resolving the current iteration of the bloodshed.

I agree

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Thulpelly · 23/07/2025 20:12

PurpleChrayn · 21/07/2025 16:02

Did we provide water to Germany when we were at war with them?

Isreal is not ‘at war’ with Palestine. It’s a genocide.

Frummie · 23/07/2025 21:12

The idea that “Jews accepted the land and Arabs just attacked” erases critical facts.
In 1948, the UN partition plan gave 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state—even though Jews were only about 1/3 of the population and owned less than 7% of the land.

Palestinians rejected the plan not because they hated Jews—but because they were being ethnically replaced in their own homeland without consent.

55% of the 23% that was left of what had originally been promised to the Jews. The Arabs first got 77% of Mandatory Palestine, ie Transjordan. Of the 23% that was left, the Jews were offered 55% - much of it desert and barren land.

But even putting that aside, establishing a Jewish State didn't in itself displace anyone. The Arab population of that 55% could have just remained on their land as equal citizens under Jewish sovereignty.

The fact that land that was previously not sovereign now becomes governed by Jews, doesn't mean anyone is ethnically replaced. It merely a question of who governs the land. And it's not as if the Arabs (aka Palestinians) had governed it beforehand. It was simply ownerless land, post empire, waiting for a nation to claim statehood.

And don't even get me started on what percentage of the 'indigenous Palestinians' in their 'homeland' were actually immigrants from surrounding Arab countries. In the 100 years before 1948 there had been a huge influx of Arab and North African immigrants - lured by the financial prospects made possible through the Zionist project.

Kakeandkake · 23/07/2025 22:22

Igotjelly · 23/07/2025 19:53

Your responses on this thread are absolutely disgusting.

I personally have a lot of sympathy with the Israeli people and their desire for justice after Oct 7th (though absolutely think what we’re seeing now amounts to war crimes and collective punishment) but how on earth can you be so callous? Those suffering are largely innocent people. Mothers are holding their babies whilst they starve to death in their arms, powerless to feed them.

Hamas no longer have the power to change this, Israel as we’ve seen hold the cards to resolving the current iteration of the bloodshed.

Well said!

I find many of their posts abhorrent. I don't know how they don't see it.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:39

Frummie · 23/07/2025 21:12

The idea that “Jews accepted the land and Arabs just attacked” erases critical facts.
In 1948, the UN partition plan gave 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state—even though Jews were only about 1/3 of the population and owned less than 7% of the land.

Palestinians rejected the plan not because they hated Jews—but because they were being ethnically replaced in their own homeland without consent.

55% of the 23% that was left of what had originally been promised to the Jews. The Arabs first got 77% of Mandatory Palestine, ie Transjordan. Of the 23% that was left, the Jews were offered 55% - much of it desert and barren land.

But even putting that aside, establishing a Jewish State didn't in itself displace anyone. The Arab population of that 55% could have just remained on their land as equal citizens under Jewish sovereignty.

The fact that land that was previously not sovereign now becomes governed by Jews, doesn't mean anyone is ethnically replaced. It merely a question of who governs the land. And it's not as if the Arabs (aka Palestinians) had governed it beforehand. It was simply ownerless land, post empire, waiting for a nation to claim statehood.

And don't even get me started on what percentage of the 'indigenous Palestinians' in their 'homeland' were actually immigrants from surrounding Arab countries. In the 100 years before 1948 there had been a huge influx of Arab and North African immigrants - lured by the financial prospects made possible through the Zionist project.

This is a deeply misleading and ahistorical take that erases the lived reality of Palestinians and misrepresents the nature of colonialism and displacement.

First: Palestine was not “ownerless land.” It was home to a thriving indigenous population- mostly Arab Muslims and Christians- who had lived there for centuries with towns, villages, farms, and deep-rooted cultural and social structures. Dismissing it as “post-empire land waiting for a nation” is colonial language that ignores the people already living there.

Second: the idea that the Arab population could have just “remained as equal citizens” under a Jewish ethno-nationalist state ignores the fact that Zionism was never neutral governance- it was a settler-colonial project explicitly premised on creating a Jewish majority and statehood on land that was already inhabited. You cannot build a state for one group on the land of another without displacing or subjugating them.

Third: your claim about Arab immigration “lured by Zionist prosperity” is a well-debunked myth. There is no credible historical evidence to support the idea that large-scale Arab immigration was responsible for the Palestinian population in the early 20th century. In contrast, there was massive Jewish immigration (facilitated by colonial powers) aimed at shifting demographics to secure statehood. The population growth of Palestinians during this time was consistent with natural growth, not a flood of “outsiders.”

Finally, the events of 1947–49 were not passive governance changes- they were violent. More than 750,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled their homes during the Nakba, and over 500 villages were destroyed. That’s not just governance, that’s ethnic cleansing.

Historical distortion like this attempts to justify the ongoing dispossession and occupation Palestinians continue to face today. It won’t work- people are seeing through it.

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
https://www.btselem.org/nakba
https://www.alhaq.org/publications/19269.html_ https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1648797_

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Frummie · 23/07/2025 22:53

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:39

This is a deeply misleading and ahistorical take that erases the lived reality of Palestinians and misrepresents the nature of colonialism and displacement.

First: Palestine was not “ownerless land.” It was home to a thriving indigenous population- mostly Arab Muslims and Christians- who had lived there for centuries with towns, villages, farms, and deep-rooted cultural and social structures. Dismissing it as “post-empire land waiting for a nation” is colonial language that ignores the people already living there.

Second: the idea that the Arab population could have just “remained as equal citizens” under a Jewish ethno-nationalist state ignores the fact that Zionism was never neutral governance- it was a settler-colonial project explicitly premised on creating a Jewish majority and statehood on land that was already inhabited. You cannot build a state for one group on the land of another without displacing or subjugating them.

Third: your claim about Arab immigration “lured by Zionist prosperity” is a well-debunked myth. There is no credible historical evidence to support the idea that large-scale Arab immigration was responsible for the Palestinian population in the early 20th century. In contrast, there was massive Jewish immigration (facilitated by colonial powers) aimed at shifting demographics to secure statehood. The population growth of Palestinians during this time was consistent with natural growth, not a flood of “outsiders.”

Finally, the events of 1947–49 were not passive governance changes- they were violent. More than 750,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled their homes during the Nakba, and over 500 villages were destroyed. That’s not just governance, that’s ethnic cleansing.

Historical distortion like this attempts to justify the ongoing dispossession and occupation Palestinians continue to face today. It won’t work- people are seeing through it.

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
https://www.btselem.org/nakba
https://www.alhaq.org/publications/19269.html_ https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1648797_

One: Some people owned property, but the land wasn't sovereign. There was no governing power in place.

  1. Two : I refer you to the Israeli declaration of independence where this was clearly stated, and to the 20+% of Israeli Arabs that proves it in practice.
  1. Three: The growth was far higher than can be explained by natural growth.
  1. Four: Don't confuse cause and effect. The cause was the Arabs starting a war (first civil then Arab League), and the effect was displacement. Not the other way around.
Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 02:01

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Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 02:04

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 17:32

“Lol”? You’re laughing while talking about the mass starvation of a trapped population- half of whom are children. That’s not just heartless, it’s disgusting.

And as for your argument: “but Hamas…” won’t stand up in front of the International Criminal Court when Israel is tried for war crimes.

Hamas’s actions on October 7th were horrific. No one is denying that. But they do not justify blocking aid, bombing refugee camps, or starving over 2 million people, including tens of thousands of babies and children.

Israel is responsible for its own actions. It doesn’t get a free pass to violate international law because of who governs Gaza. That’s not how justice works. That’s not how morality works. And frankly, if you’re defending collective punishment, you’re not on the side of peace- you’re on the side of cruelty.

lol lol lol. No one cares because Hamas are terrorists

Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 02:45

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 19:54

I agree

Awww another poster who just can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t give a flying fig about Gaza and its terrorist government.

Igotjelly · 24/07/2025 07:10

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Kakeandkake · 24/07/2025 10:20

Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 02:45

Awww another poster who just can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t give a flying fig about Gaza and its terrorist government.

We all know you don't give a 'fig' about Gaza. I think that mentality and lack of empathy is what we see displayed in almost every post.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 24/07/2025 11:43

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You may not like what I say but tough shit. As if you really want a meaningful discussion.🙄

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Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 12:21

Kakeandkake · 23/07/2025 19:06

Yeah, this.
Some pro-Israeli lot will go to any extremes to justify starving babies.

Lol. Won’t someone think of the starving babies not the terrorist government Hamas 🙄

Kakeandkake · 24/07/2025 12:22

Oh dear.

PaxAeterna · 24/07/2025 12:24

Some posters are here just to say something that will get an extreme reaction. They are here for fun basically and not genuinely interested in debating.

Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 12:28

PaxAeterna · 24/07/2025 12:24

Some posters are here just to say something that will get an extreme reaction. They are here for fun basically and not genuinely interested in debating.

Extreme reaction to what? Someone’s opinion that doesn’t see Israel as guilty as Hamas?

Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 12:30

The hilarity of ‘Pro Palestine’ supporters saying that they want to ‘debate’
No you don’t, you don’t want to hear anything but condemnation of Israel.
I stand with British Jews. I’m proud and very loud about it.

Needanight · 24/07/2025 12:32

Madcatdudette · 24/07/2025 12:30

The hilarity of ‘Pro Palestine’ supporters saying that they want to ‘debate’
No you don’t, you don’t want to hear anything but condemnation of Israel.
I stand with British Jews. I’m proud and very loud about it.

What about the British Jews that think your attitude towards dying children is vile? Do you stand with them?