Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

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Just that, why kill one of the few (2) cardiologists and his WHOLE family? So much for the targeted attacks. Or shall we go with the current zionist theory that all of Gaza is a sleeper cell.
Israel needs to be held to account for the hell they have created.

Do people also disbelieve Israeli whistleblowers? Who were featured in the documentary?

I can’t change the way some of you hate Israel so much that you will always assume the worst of the IDF and believe they are targeting all the most emotive groups … women, children, healthcare workers for what… fun?

No not fun. The ICJ case presented evidence that there was a systematic targeting of health care workers and that this is part of a pattern that aims to destroy the basics of life in Gaza. deliberately inflicting the conditions of life calculated to bring about a groups destruction.

Yes, much more likely that the people who have openly expressed their desire for ethnic cleansing, have openly supported Trumps plan are just targeting Hamas.

It's far more likely that all of the experts and organisations who have studied what is happening and decided that it is genocidal just really hate Israel.

If you ignore the experts, ignore the words and actions of the government, ignore what soldiers themselves say, then yes it's actually possible that Israel are targeting Hamas only.

I haven't seen the documentary yet @Whatsinanamehey so I'm not deliberately ignoring your questions about it.

Some experts and organisations have decided the war is a genocide, other experts and organisations have not come to the same conclusion.

The UK government's position is that the question is one for international courts to decide and they do not currently categorise the war as a genocide.

Calling it a genocide at this point in time appears to be opinion rather than fact.

And the soldiers and contractors in Gaza do not all say the same thing, of course. It's disingenuous to suggest people are ignoring what the soldiers themselves say when you yourself are only listening to the "whistleblowers" who may or may not be telling the truth. The main one is a disgruntled ex contractor who had been sacked according the the GHF, so who knows the truth about their motives.

Yes. After the war started? The war to annihilate the Jews?

Please correct me if im wrong, I'm not aware of the Hadid story in any detail.

I don’t hate Jewish people.

I do hate that we see the devastation that the Israeli army has created and don’t understand the justification for it. The IDF always tell us when they target high ranking Hamas officials, so it would be understandable to then not link the deaths of multiple innocent people to the targeting of lower ranking officials- which then raises worries about proportionality.

There is now some evidence to suggest that this renowned Cardiologist was specifically targeted by the IDF by a precise missile into his room.

He was the 70th healthcare worker murdered in the last 50 days. He was also one of only two remaining heart specialists in the territory. His death means that all of the directors of the hospitals in northern Gaza have either been killed or detained by the Israeli military forces.

Doesn’t look good. I will watch the documentary- as it doesn’t look good. And no, it’s not because I hate Jewish people.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/jul/04/marwan-al-sultan-gaza-doctor-israeli-airstrike-deliberately-targeted

That's the same nonsense

Blame hamas

All their fault

What about the cruel cruel people responsible for this

Please god lets this just stop
It will be two years in October

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Your deflecting now. You stated something and I answered it with some information. What do you think about that information that houses were forcibly seized from Palestinians by a law that was passed.

Is this ever justified?

Im not deflecting. I thought this happened as a consequence of the war. I did a brief search and it looks like that law was passed in Dec. In which case it happened after the Arab League declared war. I haven't time to research this fully right now which is why I asked if I was wrong.
If this happened as a consequence of losing the war they started then my sympathy is in line with this most recent war. Civilians suffer the consequences of the Palestinian piss poor leadership and decision making.
I'll research this more later as im at school right now. Like I said, please do correct me if im wrong.

You have this very black and white view about “winners” and “losers” and losers just having to suck up what happens to them. This is not a way of thinking that leads to peace.

The Palestinians who lost their homes had weak leadership, little say in the war and were not actually leading it.

But this isn’t about having sympathy for people.

It’s about recognising that the Nakba and the subsequent laws that were passed to stop people returning are a root cause of violence today because the situation was never resolved. Acknowledging this would be part of a true and genuine peace process.

You see this type of thing, where both sides stories and pain are acknowledged in lots of peace processes, like the Gacaca courts in Rwanda. Something similar in South Africa too after apartheid.

I do recognize that as a root cause.

And its funny you mention the Gacaca courts, a few times I've mentioned those as a possible mode of reconciliation between the groups once peace has been achieved.

But your own understanding of history minimises the Nakba. It’s a “they started it” “it was their leaders fault” “they hate us for being Jewish” “it was a consequence of war”. In reality what happened is much more complicated than that.

And this type of thinking- where you solely put the blame on the other side - is also part of what fuels and ultimately justifies the violence and starvation tactics being used against unarmed civilians in Gaza today,

For God's sake! Why assume I'm minimizing it?! It was a terrible tragedy, as all war is. I'm pushing back on the narrative that Israel is the root cause of the problem. In my opinion, that declaration of war was the root cause. The decision taken to not allow Jews any homeland of their own in their place of history, and instead to attempt to drive every last one of them out... to where? And in the shadow of the Holocaust!

Of course I put the blame for that war on the Arab coalition- they're the ones that declared it! Or was that war Israel's fault for having thousands of years of history in the region and needing a home of their own after suffering the worst genocide in history?
Everything flows from that declaration. History flows, one event and its consequences to the next.

Both Israel and Palestine need leadership truly commited to the other sides legitimate right to be there. Hamas isnt it. BN isnt it. I hope both find their way to better leadership soon. In the meantime, I wish Hamas would just surrender so innocent Palestinians stop getting needlessly slaughtered, Israeli sons and daughters no longer have to fight, and the hostages get returned.

It never fails to amaze me that people won't just join me in saying Hamas should just surrender, disarm, and return the hostages.

What is the evidence to suggest they specifically targeted him? What reason could they have? If you arguing that they targeted him, you must have valid reasons why and evidence that they targeted him rather than maybe a terrorist living next door.

Otherwise you’re just guessing and it seems far fetched to me they would target a cardiologist who represented no danger to them.

It never fails to amaze me that people won't just join me in saying Hamas should just surrender, disarm, and return the hostages.

Maybe if you added in that Israel should end their illegal occupation, racial segregation and blockade into the mix you would have some more takers. Weirdly enough people don't agree that there will be peace without it.

Israel is trying to destroy Gaza, so that includes destroying or dismantling their healthcare system. These guys know exactly who they are targeting and why. Don’t be naive.

Israel should pull back all the illegal settlers immediately, officially admit the right of Palestinians to have a homeland state, and start negotiations on where those borders should be as a first part of any peace process.

Until there is no government of Palestinians thats sworn to violence they should absolutely keep the blockade.

I've absolutely no idea what you mean by racial segregation. Ive spent time in Israel. Theres no racial segregation. Have you been to Jerusalem?! Or are you talking about Palestinian areas where no Jews are allowed?

Will that do? Should Hamas just surrender?

Of course I put the blame for that war on the Arab coalition- they're the ones that declared it! Or was that war Israel's fault for having thousands of years of history in the region and needing a home of their own after suffering the worst genocide in history?

@dairydebris I find your posts very one sided and historically inaccurate. Scholars are still debating the causes of the original war and Palestinian refugee but there are things that's are factors such as

• massacres including Deir Yassan

-crop burning by Zionist forces -well poisoning causing typhoid epidemics

• no right to return to their own homes after they had fled

So I fail to understand why only the Arab coalition is at fault for the war.(I know this is a rhetoric popular in Israel . They have even asked that the term Nakba be outlawed in the UN as it undermines the legitimacy of Israel's founding)

They are without a doubt a factor but your posts imply that it could not be Israel's fault in any way.

Ghadi Karmi is a Palestinian born physician academic and author and writes extensively about this
"And if you think about it, that has been the basis of the conflict ever since, that the Zionists wanted a territory free of non-Jews in a territory full of non-Jews, and therefore, they had to get rid of the non-Jews in order to make it a territory for Jews. Now, those non-Jews, i.e. the Palestinians, of course didn’t want to be dispossessed, they resisted being dispossessed, and hence, you have a conflict."

Now this is also probably also an over simplistic version of the events but the history lies more middle than you see.

I've absolutely no idea what you mean by racial segregation.

It's all in the ICJ ruling from July 2024, the same ruling that confirms Israel have been illegally occupying Gaza.

So then it is not as simple as Hamas surrendering. Lots of things have to happen for an enduring peace.

By racial segregation I’m guessing it is a reference to the many laws and polices that impact Arab Israelis more negatively.

OK. Can you please name me a credible book that sets out the history as you see it then?

I push back on Zionists wanting a land free of Arabs. They accepted the borders they were offered. It was Arabs that wanted the whole place free of Jews.

But im always interested to hear other readings, im open to changing my viewpoint. I used to be much more pro Palestinian.

Where do you get your history?

Sure. But the first thing is Hamas surrendering disarming returning hostages? Yes or no?

Could you break it down for me? How is there racial segregation in Israel?

And I note you STILL didn't answer my question on Hamas. Even though I answered all of yours.