Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

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Just that, why kill one of the few (2) cardiologists and his WHOLE family? So much for the targeted attacks. Or shall we go with the current zionist theory that all of Gaza is a sleeper cell.
Israel needs to be held to account for the hell they have created.

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Why is who doing what back?

Why is Israel attacking Hamas? I think that's pretty obvious.

What choice do they reasonably have? They should just sit there and let Hamas do what they want with no repercussions? They should keep sending all the power/food/water/aid etc. to the people who attacked them, and still hold hostages as if nothing happened?

Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Sounds like a recipe for continued attacks on civilians (which Hamas did - a planned attack on a civilian music festival - vs. civilian casualties happening as an unintended side-affect, or, rogue soldiers.).

Please don’t conflate Jewish people with what the Israeli state and the IDF are doing.

Unjustifiable illegal activity by the Israeli state and the IDF. Who are these people who still seek to justify Israel’s actions? 🤯

So you stand with Israel wiping the Palestinians off the face of this earth.

Do you really, seriously believe this? Because I don't. I don't think Israel gives a shit about the hostages. Other than to claim the atrocities that have been committed by Israel is to force Hamas to release them.

Looks likely @TakeMe2Insanity
I’m not going to engage with that poster anymore, I’d save your breath, anyone who justifies this slaughter is a lost cause imo

I would dance a very happy dance if I thought I could come back and admit I was wrong. It would be make me so happy if Hamas fucked off and if Israel also fucked off and withdrew completely from the Occupied Territories.(After they pay the necessary reparations for destroying the country in their pursuit of Hamas)

@AccountCreateUsername true. The justifications for this on mumsnet go beyond what I see in daily life. In my daily life I see more and more Jewish people shocked by the horrors and yet on mumsnet they defend harder as if they are in the IDF comms HQ.

No - and that's not what Israel is doing. They are trying to obliterate Hamas, not Palestinians (who, again, make up 20% of the Israeli population)

🤣🤣. Not trying to kill Palestinians! Very funny!

Go back to November 2023, what were the orders? Evacuate a whole hospital the size of St Thomas’ in London time and again every dr said its unthinkable. What did Israel do? Bomb them knowing patients, babies in nicu, parents, families, health care workers were there. That’s not an army trying to preserve life.

Of course they are. Don't be so naive.

Dropping a 500 lb bomb to kill one terrorist on a packed cafe is trying to obliterate a population.not just Hamas

Banning baby formula from entering the country not going to obliterate Hamas.

Starting a department with the sole purpose of ethnically cleansing Palestinians is not going to only obliterate Hamas but a whole population.

Oh yes the Palestinians who make up 20% of Israeli nationals, were they ones that weren’t allowed into bomb shelters for not being Jewish? Or the ones whose towns had no bomb shelters because Israel didn’t invest in them or their infrastructure? Or the ones that other Israelis filmed themselves cheering in joy/relief that Irans bombs hit there?

Their founding charter explicitly talks about their struggle against The Jews. The Octover 7th attackers bragged about how many Jews they'd killed.

"Current zionist theory"? WTF is that supposed to mean?

Agree. All the way back in 1947/8 during the Nakba as part of the deliberate ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, an operation called "Cast Thy Bread" was carried out.

The purpose was to deliberately poison the wells of Palestinian villages in an act of biological warfare:

"details of how scientists from the Scientific Corps, together with battlefield units, were involved in a systematic campaign to poison water wells and spread typhoid bacteria in Arab villages and cities as well as among the invading armies of Egypt and Jordan. The objective was to frighten the Arab-Palestinian population, to force them to leave and to weaken the Arab armies. It is claimed that the use of biological warfare was approved by the founder of the Israeli state and its first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221011-historians-reveal-israels-use-of-poison-against-palestinians/

Hamas created the hell everyone has to live with.

It's a war. Bad things happen in wars. People die in wars - lots of people. Fewer non-combatants are dying in this war than in other wars currently in progress.

Egypt is also blocking baby formula from getting in (I'll take it on faith that that is correct), and they aren't currently at war with Palestine.

Again, what do you suggest Israel does? Just sit there being attacked and do nothing about the terrorist organisations doing it?

And we won’t with Hamas re October 7th.

Not target medics and their entire families against international law? Not bring them Israel against International law and torture and rape them?

It does seem he was targetted directly, but not being privvy to Israeli intelligence, and knowing that people can be more than one thing, I really can't say what this was.

I do think that there's a fair chunk of DARVO saying that it's the Israelis kidnapping people to torture and rape them against international law though.

If ‘bad things happen in war’ wasn’t the October attacks part of that? Because it seems that for you, Israeli people being murdered is an outrage for which what has happened in the meantime is fair (but partial) punishment, whilst the deaths of Palestinians are shruggable “C’est la guerre”.

What do I expect Israel to do? Cooperate with full investigation into genocide. To understand that their claims on being ‘moral’ are utterly repugnant. To acknowledge that when you see fit to lecture others on Double Standards, you should definitely not have double standards of your own- because most people really despise hypocrites.

Don’t ask me, go ask all those hard lined zionist spreading their message of hate.

No Israel did.

There was no war at the time. That started the war.

Again - there is a difference between planning to invade a music festival to rape, murder and kidnap people, and civilians dying during a war.

Are you saying that if a group flew soldiers into Glastonbury killed hundreds of people, and kidnapped more, you would just shrug and say 'oh well', here, have a few million pounds in aid? You wouldn't want that group found and punished?

What do you mean? Are you denying that Israel have taken people from Gaza and taken them to places like Sde Teiman where they are tortured and raped? There are 100s of accounts of this happening, even pre Oct 7 Israel took people and tortured and sexually assaulted them, including children. It's been happening for decades.

What do you think I am trying to manipulate exactly by bringing up International law? Are we just supposed to ignore it and say 'bad things happen' in war? I mean we aren't even talking about bad things just happening in war time are we, we are talking about decades of it.

It's uncomfortable to confront the fact that a country many people supported is actually responsible for disgusting practices but at some point it has be be confronted.