Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

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Just that, why kill one of the few (2) cardiologists and his WHOLE family? So much for the targeted attacks. Or shall we go with the current zionist theory that all of Gaza is a sleeper cell.
Israel needs to be held to account for the hell they have created.

What is so frightening about these attacks is that it can be seen how Israel is slowly dismantling Gazan society and it's future. How can the country survive and flourish in the future without cardiologists, paediatricians, EMT's etc.

Nobody has been trained in any role over the past couple of years, children will be illiterate and skills have been lost.
It is a ripe training ground for terrorist groups when young men have no hope and no future

It may be debatable and controversial to use the word genocide but Gaza has been condemned to a slow death.

The Israeli government has repeatedly told us what they want to do and are actively doing to destroy the Palestinians in whole or part, textbook genocide

(to prevent derailers, I will add that yes no court of law has ruled it is a genocide yet. However the ICJ did rule that there was a plausible case to be made for genocide).

Just your little reminder that Hamas can also stop this anytime by surrendering, disarming, and handing back the hostages.

Dr Marwan Sultan would still be alive now if Hamas had done this.

Absolutely needless waste of precious life.

'look what you made me do' is the pathetic excuse of an abuser. We don't fall for it with men, we won't with Israel either.

No one said 'look what you made me do'. You're just making stuff up.
Personally I hope Hamas surrender asap because life is being wasted. But you'd rather concentrate your fury on Israel. Its almost as if you dont actually want Hamas to surrender... oh well. As long as you get to make your point about how awful Israel is, thats the most important thing right?

Completely agree.
Did Hamas make Israel rape prisoners, sniper children, drop massive bombs on a cafe, kill doctors and shoot people queing for aid.
There's war and there is targeted cruelty

We can discuss the evil that is Hamas(and there is plenty to say)but let's not even think that Israel is an innocent bystander here.

No you are just making stuff up.

Hamas surrendering will not end this and you know it. Netanyahu has a plan to ethnically cleaned Gaza and he will stop at nothing to get his way.

Israel murdered Palestinians before the current conflict and can we see them stopping after this ends?

How can you be so blind to not see the unbelievable vindictive cruelty that Israel is inflicting on a people.

I think this is quite an old tactic just reworked to be more deadly than ever. Israel have always attacked the basics needed for a functioning society. Take education for example between 2006 and 2022 Israel destroyed over 500 school and 32 university buildings whilst impeding the building of new ones. The blockade resulted in a shortage of educational resources and supplies. It limited educators ability to participate in international conventions and learning programmes. It severely hindered the training of new medics.

It's not an accidental side effect its a purposeful tactic Israel have used to suppress Palestinian opportunities and societal growth for decades. All this this has been recorded and written about for years. There is a reason Palestinians say education is resistance.

Now emboldened by the lack of action from anyone when it comes to the destruction of Palestinian society nothing is off the table, including murdering an entire family. Anything that improves life for Palestinians is destroyed by Israel eventually whether that is people or buildings, Israel don't care.

I hope you'll be back to admit youre wrong when Hamas do eventually agree to terms, hand back the hostages, and there is actually a ceasefire.

You and I both know its been a tit for tat of atrocities for decades and Israel is in no way an innocent little lamb here. I'm not blind. I read the news. I never said they are and have frequently mentioned the awful war crimes commited by both sides.

The point I was making is that its time for Hamas to end it now. Israel isnt going to stop like you said. They're going after Hamas and they dont give a shit how many Palestinians they kill in getting each Hamas member ended. The'yre going after Hamas because Hamas has promised 7 Oct over and over. Whether you or I would make that decision at this cost is beside the point. It's a reasonable defence position. Would you be happy with neighbors who promised to come and kill you?

Hamas have lost. Gaza is in ruins. When will Hamas just agree terms and fuck off?

Ah I see. Completely unable to refute any of my totally correct points so just accuse me of talking out of my ass 🙄

Not exactly the world's most powerful argument but hope it gave you some satisfaction. I'll leave you lot to your hate fest now. Enjoy!

Just your little reminder that Hamas can also stop this anytime by surrendering, disarming, and handing back the hostages.

This is propaganda designed to quieten people and allow Israel to finish their actual goal in Gaza. This isn't about Hamas it's about the destruction of Gaza, the destruction of their history, their society and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Even the Israeli government don't pretend that what this poster is saying is true. This is what the Israeli government actually say:

An Israeli government minister Bezalel Smotrich has vowed that “Gaza will be entirely destroyed” as a result of an Israeli military victory, and that its Palestinian population will “leave in great numbers to third countries”

We are destroying more and more homes. They have nowhere to return to,” Netanyahu said in closed-door testimony made to the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee. “The only inevitable outcome will be the desire of Gazans to emigrate outside of the Gaza Strip.”

1. Israel have literally said repeatedly that they won't stop the war once the hostages are returned.

2. Hannah have repeatedly issued the return of all hostages in return for a permanent ceasefire. Israel have repeatedly said no.

3. the previous ceasefire would have resulted in the return of all hostages, and was resulting in hostages being released. Israel broke the ceasefire by refusing to move to the next stage, which would have resulted in more hostages being released, because they didn't want to move to stage 2, which would have hopefully led to peace. Isra wanted Hamas to continue releasing hostages without moving towards peace.

Before Hamas started this war with the atrocity on Oct 7th, how many Palestinians worked in Israel? Lived in Israel?

How does that gel with this ethnic cleansing goal that you state Israel has?

You do know that Hamas freely states that the obliteration of Israel and the death of all Jews is their goal? And that their actions historically support that?

Are you sure that Israel are the bad guys here? You think the democratic country, the only place in the region with gay marriage and equal rights for women is the bad place, and Palestine, which throws gay people off buildings, oppresses women, and is run by a proscribed terrorist organisation is the good guys? Really?

Um, that's not in Hamas Constitution. Have you read it or are just reporting in what you've heard in the media?

It's not all daisies and light, and I'll be glad to see the back or the organisation, but that doesn't mean we should rely on lies. Their constitution specifically says they have no issue with Jews. They do claim all of the land - I.e the river to the sea statement, but that's not unique to Hamas. In fact Likud, Netenyahu's party says exactly the same in its constitution, says exactly the same in its Constitution only it claims the land for Israel instead.

I agree very strongly with your first two paragraphs.

But at this moment in time has Hamas:

• starved the israeli population
• blown up hospitals, schools, food storage units in Israel?
• destabilised the whole of Israel so that if you walked with a map you would recognise nothing?

The answer is Israel has done this to Gaza. Israel is the threat to the region. Israel if it loved it’s Palestinian population wouldn’t be throwing them out of their generation old homes in Jersusalem, wouldn’t be creating new points of trauma in the West Bank.

Lets not even get into the fact that Israel has been doing this and more since it’s creation.

“You do know that Hamas freely states that the obliteration of Israel and the death of all Jews is their goal? And that their actions historically support that?”

And what does Israel want for the Palestinians? The removal of them. TV shows show Israeli’s openly saying its good Palestinians are being shot, questioning why the world thinks its a problem. Israel actions also historically support the fact they would happily clear every Palestinian off the land along with the Lebanese, Jordanians and anyone else in their path to create the Greater Israel.

I hadn't read all 32 articles of the covenant until now, but now I have, plus The Movement from 2018.

The second has certainly been sanitised vs the second, however

1. In its relations with world nations and peoples, Hamas believes in the values of cooperation, justice, freedom and respect of the will of the people.

Rather casts doubt on the rest of it doesn't it? Given how Hamas got into, and stays in power?

It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails, and schisms and wars will break out.

Bit rich, given they've rejected every attempt at coming to an agreement, and are currently the cause of the war that broke out

Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

And that definitely sounds like a balanced and reasonable government.

This is what you stand with?

Israel has repeatedly participated in peace talks, agreed to solutions, all rejected by Hamas.

Palestinians make up 20% of Israels population - citizens, with Israeli passports.

I'm not surprised there's some animosity (understatement) given the history - do you really expect Israelis to just shrug off what happened on October 7th? A people who've been under attack for centuries? I think they're being remarkably restrained, and have a fairly good grip on their forces compared to soldiers in so many other conflicts TBH.

Why are you holding Israel up to standards that no other country meets?

Off you pop then 👋

Hamas has starved its own population, destabilised Palestine, blown up its own hospitals etc....

Are you also campaigning against Egypt who are also blocking aid? Or only Israel who have been supporting Palestine whilst being continuously attacked on all sides for decades?

Israel is one of the most stable countries in the region, with the best human rights for its citizens.

Sometimes borders change. People are displaced, life isn't fair. No-one knows this better than the Jewish people.

Then why are they doing it back?

”life isn’t fair” thats more sorry hun you didn’t get the shoes you wanted not that someone is bombing all the educated people, killing the babies, bombing the ivf centres, amputations happening without medication…yeah thats significantly more than life isn’t fair.