Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkg4m0133po

Well it's up to Hamas now......let's see how much they value their people.

I really hope you're wrong and that the Right isnt actually this smart or organized. This concerns me a lot too.

There was a general election last year. Gaza was not the main talking point for the election so no idea why you keep banging on about it as a concern. There is not another general election until 2029.

I am baffled by this view point. You’d give up a free and fair country for everyone in the U.K. to wade into another country’s war based on things you been told online by strangers?
You seem to be twisting this posters words they did not at any point say any of that.

It was in some constituencies and Labour lost votes in areas with significant muslim populations.

But no real national impact. Pretty sure if I was Muslim and witnessed the complete disregard for the life of other Muslims it would impact my vote but 6.5% of the population in the UK is Muslim so it is very unlikely it will ever greatly influence national politics to the extent the poster is suggesting. People for the main part vote on what is best for their personal economic situation

I see your point. But I don’t think Gaza will ever become the main talking point. Labour is disappointing lefter voters for all sorts of reasons.

Harris didn’t not get in because of Gaza, she didn’t get in for lots of reasons but mainly because she didn’t seem to think that change was necessary.

I think left leaning parties have lost touch with their base generally.

Less than 1.5% of the civilian population have been killed. Some 30,000 people.
Terrible numbers.
However it’s a war. Taken in context of fighting a war in a densely populated area, where there is not that much evacuation, and the opposing terrorist force are dressed as civilians and are in amongst real civilians, then the statistics prove the IDF are being exceptionally restrained in their assaults.
Have the IDF committed war crimes? No doubt they have.
Is the IDF a genocidal army running wild? Obviously not.
This is not a genocide.

I've never used faith as a deciding factor in my vote, unless my prospective MP claimed to be an enthusiastic Satanist, then I might have some reservations.

The argument for genocide is not just being made on the numbers being killed. It is also the evidence that Israel has systematically targeted the basics needed for life - the water system, the food production system, the healthcare system, the education system, people’s home and now access to food and other aid. All resulting in conditions that will lead to death and suffering, even if the war stops tomorrow.

So if your local mp was supporting the sale of arms to a country that was bombing Jewish people it wouldn't be a factor in how you voted?

Er no. They certainly didn't mention religion in any of their manifestos, mostly a potted history of their work and achievements.
Voting on faith grounds or party grounds for that matter isn't what I do.

And Hamas and the Gazans total failure to look after their own population?

I don’t really understand your point. I am pointing out how the argument for genocide is being made.

Hamas are a terrible government to have in charge that is also true.

i’m not sure what the average Gazan is supposed to do to “look after their own” . Civilians are truly in a desperate situation.

I can understand that argument, though I cannot vouch whether systematic destruction or incidental destruction has happened.
The services certainly have been destroyed, no doubt about that.
Hamas accepting the ceasefire will stop any further destruction and allow reconstruction to begin.
It’s in their hands, and they should be happy that a ceasefire is even being offered.
They are in no position to negotiate.

This part of the conversation was in response to the ludicrous suggestion by a pp that nearly everyone in gaza had been killed. The reason for saying that is obviously to impky genocide. Of course genocide is about more than numbers, it is about intent. But if you had the capacity to kill.everyone, which Iarael undoubtedly does, and also the intent, which lots of people believe , then the numbers do suggest they arent achieving their aims.

We could have just bombed them all is not an argument that would hold up in a court of law.

@HellsBalls hopefully a good ceasefire will be agreed.

The point is that Israel does not have sole responsibility to look after Gazans. The complete absence of reference to the way Gazans are treating other Gazans is baffling. Much of the suffering is caused by other Gazans.

There has been a large civilian death toll In Gaza mainly due to the nature of the right In gin an urban environment coupled with Hamas using human shields. The death toll is tragic however in no way should this be described as genocide. We have had many other conflicts including WW2 where there were large civilian death tolls but none of these are described as genocide. (there was though an obvious genocide during ww2 of course and I think the holocaust really frames the word in its true intent).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

500 000 to 2 million German civilians died during ww2 yet Germany has never asked for an apology for a genocide. The reason is there wasn't one, the civilians were tragically killed during a horrendous large scale war. 43000 died during the blitz.

Yet we get lefty liberals misappropriating the word genocide to further Hamas aims of denigrating Israel and it's people. It's just sad.

Hence the protests that break through occasionally. Gazans have been suffering at the hands of other gazans since Hamas took over when Israel withdrew. Yet 'free Gaza from Hamas' weirdly never takes off.

Lets hear @Monicaca 's answer then?

You've totally missed the point. Why would a party mention religion in their manifesto? It's about a parties policy in relation to a conflict that is killing people in a majority Muslim country. As I said I'm sure if a candidate in your constituency supported the sale of arms to a country that was bombing Israel you wouldn't support them.

It's likely to be similar to every other poster you have questioned on this. You're the one that seems to have a major issues with people caring about what happens to Palestinians. Which makes me question why.

You seem to be tracking me, but at the same time not understanding anything I write.

Not tracking you just notice this pattern about you. You may well have long forgotten but you've directed the "why Gaza"at me before.

but at the same time not understanding anything I write
I understand you perfectly fine