Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkg4m0133po

Well it's up to Hamas now......let's see how much they value their people.

The agreement involved releasing the hostages. Hamas won't do that.

I don't vote based on faith. You can be as sure as you like, but I think you've created a reality in your head that just doesn't exist.

No, no memory whatsoever, sorry. I expect you gave a formulaic answer.

Anyway, here is a good article on the problem with centring Palestine in everything, and the problem with the people who do it.

open.substack.com/pub/theleopardeu/p/everything-is-palestine?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7ave2

I wasn't talking about "faith" I was talking about policies and how they impact different communities

I expect you gave a formulaic answer.
I gave my honest answer

I glanced at your article but I'm unsure what relevance it has to me. I don't fly any Palestinian flag or drape myself in any. I'm commenting on a thread about the conflict. I think there's a massive difference between mainstream concern for what we see happening to innocent civilians in Gaza and those that centre Palestine in everything. There is also a disconnect between some western government policies on the conflict and public opinion on it which is causing increasing vocal frustration.

You may still disagree with me, but not everybody does. There are many people who care deeply about left-coded social causes, from active transport to workers’ rights, who are uncomfortable being part of a crowd that might at any point start shouting antisemitic slogans.[2] If the point of activism is to build a coalition for social change, then repelling these people counts as a failure.
This paragraph is important because I do not believe the majority of people would be comfortable in a crowd shouting antisemitic slogans but none of us can be responsible for actions of a few.

It is discussing the activist left which in reality is a minority. Most people are centrist and will shift one way or the other depending on how it will impact them or align with their values.

I honestly could not imagine that there would not be any international uproar and military support to Israel if what was happening to Palestinians in Gaza was happening to Israelis. And I continually ask myself why.

Thank you for the link.

I don’t think this is a good article. It could make for interesting reading about the “Omnicause” in modern day activism. Which would be interesting and valid. But instead It has a condescending tone and feels more that it is trying to undermine people talking about Gaza than actually caring about strategic activism.

Also have an issue generally with writers like this and others who solely talk the pro Palestinian cause as something white westerners do, I guess so they can dismiss it as being “woke” or “trendy” but they ignore that actually it’s a worldwide movement with multi ethnicities involved. I haven’t articulated that very well but it something that I am noticing more and more.

But its talking about its popularity among white westerners here. Thats the point. It wasnt an article sbout pro-Pals in Pakistan or wherever. It absolutely is a pertinent point about pro-Pal activism in the west.

...which you've identified by their faith. There are rather a lot of conflicts between different faith groups going on at the moment, I'd prefer not to transfer them to a country that is the home of many faiths, it won't end well.

There are many people of colour also involved in pro Palestinian activism in the west. The article ignores their experience. Probably because it’s easier to caricature white westerners and view them as some homogeneous mass with an omni-cause.

Sorry for falling for people being killed. What is incredible is lack of any humanity on these threads. Death of anyone regardless of faith is terrible but shame there’s not more empathy for Gazans. Enjoy your echo chamber

https://www.theleopard.eu/p/those-who-hate-the-west

Gone down quite the rabbit hole on your link🙂

am googling Sam Wilkins and his wisdom...

The former first minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf

‘They’re not building a humanitarian city. They’re building a slaughterhouse. That’s what Israel’s defence minister has just announced- a plan to forcibly move Palestinians into what they’re calling a humanitarian city. Built on the ruins of Rafah. Let’s call it what it really is, a modern day internment camp. This isn’t about safety. It’s about control, containment, collective punishment. It’s about taking a population already starved, bombed and brutalised and herding them into a man-made prison with simply no way out.

And remember, this is the same Israeli government that has repeatedly ignored international law. The same Israeli government that has systematically targeted civilians, hospitals and workers and journalists. You think that they’re the ones who are suddenly concerned with humanitarian care? No. This is a staging ground for more bloodshed. A death trap disguised as compassion. We are watching in real time the architecture of genocide with bulldozers instead of barbed wire. This isn’t a safe zone. It’s a siege zone. And the worst part? They’ll dress it up in the language of aid and expect the world to clap.

Don’t be fooled. Dont let them rename oppression as mercy. this isn’t a humanitarian city. It’s a crime scene under construction.’