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Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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mids2019 · 29/06/2025 06:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Bobby Vylan of British duo Bob Vylan performs on the West Holts Stage

Police review footage of chants led by Glastonbury acts

The government condemned chants from rap duo Bob Vylan which were streamed live and called for "death" to the Israeli military.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

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Dangermoo · 29/06/2025 10:06

justasking111 · 29/06/2025 07:45

Let's hope he gets 31 months for the hate speech Starmer has said will not be tolerated

Particularly as Starmer has a duty to stamp out antisemitism, given his own party is riddled with it.

Absentmindedsmile · 29/06/2025 10:06

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 08:07

Bob Vylan told fans: 'From the river to the sea Palestine must be, will be, free.'

That stock phrase has a very specific meaning: Kill/displace all the Jewish/Gay people between the Jordan River and the Med. Which means every single one of them. However specifically not Arab Israelis.

That's not calling for Israelis to be killed That's very specifically calling for only Jews to be killed. (And Gay people, of course.)

They haven't forgotten the 2023 Nova Festival at all, they're full square supporting of it.

Quite. Most of them though, probably have no idea what it means. It’s like 1984, the tribal chanting. Grim.

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/06/2025 10:07

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 10:04

Which side want the killing to stop? If the killing stops Israel has won. So self evidently Palestinians want the killing to continue so they can get their land back. The idea Israel want this to continue is blatantly wrong.

So Israel don’t want to kill of starve the Palestinians of bomb hospitals? Well they could just open it up let the international press in and be done with it.

morbidd · 29/06/2025 10:10

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 07:02

Here we go again.

"virtue signalling"
"Lefties"
"Useful idiots"
"No critical thinking "
"Just go to Gaza "
Etc etc
(It's like a Daily Mail comment section around these threads)

Headline news will be an obscure band shouting death to a military that we have seen over the past 20 months kill and maim thousands of children.

Let's all talk about that and not the fact that an IDF member has said they have orders to shoot starving people trying to get aid

Oh it's much more important that we get all horrified and indignant about Palestinian flags than the 3 children and their parents who were sleeping in a tent Thursday night killed because the IDF landed an airstrike on them.
Where's the Daily Mail headline here?

If words hurt so much why are we not discussing Ben Gvir saying 3 days ago that all aid should be stopped to Gaza condemning millions to death.

Is thousands of Israelis shouting "Death to Arabs" on the 26th May an issue or is it only an issue when it's a band saying things.

But yes let's all talk about a music band.

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ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 29/06/2025 10:12

Death to the IDF is clearly incitement but I can't feel any sympathy or concern for an army that murders children. They have crossed a red line that there is no way back from they deserve no respect. They are big enough and bold enough to cope with some chants from drunk drugged up concert goers at Glastonbury

Dangermoo · 29/06/2025 10:12

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A massacre has been eclipsed? A massacre is never capable of being eclipsed and it says everything about the person saying it.

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:12

Katie717 · 29/06/2025 10:06

The Palestinian people voted for Hamas to be their government.

Nearly 20 years ago. And how do we know it was a fair election.

1dayatatime · 29/06/2025 10:13

@Quirkswork

"I think the issue is governments. Whoever is in control. Hamas, Netanyahu, Trump, Starmer. They decide. They are the ones to be held accountable ultimately for whatever they lead their own people into."

So Hamas were voted in by the majority of Gazans. Trump was voted in by the majority of US voters. Starmer was voted in by UK voters and Netanyahu was voted in by Israeli voters.

That's how democracy works.

Dangermoo · 29/06/2025 10:13

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 29/06/2025 10:12

Death to the IDF is clearly incitement but I can't feel any sympathy or concern for an army that murders children. They have crossed a red line that there is no way back from they deserve no respect. They are big enough and bold enough to cope with some chants from drunk drugged up concert goers at Glastonbury

Good job the law doesn't agree with you.

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 10:16

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 09:00

Well, nearly 50 years later Arabs and Gay people live in peace in peace and freedom within Israel and the Palestinains are still there. (Relentlessly fighting Israel, Egypt and amongst themselves.)

So Isreali sovereignty is way better than the plans Militant Islam have for the region.

Both sides use the phrase and we know exactly that each side mean by it. Isreal mean a modern democracy where everyone is free, and Hamas mean an Islamic hell hole "cleansed" of Jews and Gay people at perpetual war with itself and it's neighbours.

Not exactly a free democracy in Israel though is it? Palestinians living under Israeli rule don’t have the right to vote. Shocker!

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:16

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 29/06/2025 10:04

They have the power to denounce what is happening and to put sanctions on murderous oppressive regimes. They've done it for other murderous oppressive regimes but some how Israel have the 'special factor' and are immune to the same treatment.

But that doesn't answer the point as to why people are mainly only protesting against the war involving Jews. Given the many wars around the world.

Presumably the UK government doesn't agree with you that Israel is a murderous oppressive regime. I have no idea. We are just the little people.

quantumbutterfly · 29/06/2025 10:18

Greenartywitch · 29/06/2025 10:04

Because we have free speech still and because people should be able to express concerns for civilian populations being harmed and killed?

I have no love for Hamas but equally I think that what the Israeli are doing has gone way beyond protecting their citizens.

Nobody is forcing you to watch/go to Glastonbury or to listen to the bands/artists who are making these comments.

It went a little bit beyond 'expressing concern', unless you're suggesting Lucy Connolly was also 'expressing concern'.

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 10:18

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 07:02

Here we go again.

"virtue signalling"
"Lefties"
"Useful idiots"
"No critical thinking "
"Just go to Gaza "
Etc etc
(It's like a Daily Mail comment section around these threads)

Headline news will be an obscure band shouting death to a military that we have seen over the past 20 months kill and maim thousands of children.

Let's all talk about that and not the fact that an IDF member has said they have orders to shoot starving people trying to get aid

Oh it's much more important that we get all horrified and indignant about Palestinian flags than the 3 children and their parents who were sleeping in a tent Thursday night killed because the IDF landed an airstrike on them.
Where's the Daily Mail headline here?

If words hurt so much why are we not discussing Ben Gvir saying 3 days ago that all aid should be stopped to Gaza condemning millions to death.

Is thousands of Israelis shouting "Death to Arabs" on the 26th May an issue or is it only an issue when it's a band saying things.

But yes let's all talk about a music band.

Edited

Here's a novel idea. Why don't the bands at these music festivals stick to what they know - music. People go to these events to let their hair down. Escapism from the news and other stuff going on. Not to be lectured by a bunch of people who probably know nothing other than what they are fed by palestinian terrorist sympathisers and use their music platform to spout their irrelevant opinions...

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:19

1dayatatime · 29/06/2025 10:13

@Quirkswork

"I think the issue is governments. Whoever is in control. Hamas, Netanyahu, Trump, Starmer. They decide. They are the ones to be held accountable ultimately for whatever they lead their own people into."

So Hamas were voted in by the majority of Gazans. Trump was voted in by the majority of US voters. Starmer was voted in by UK voters and Netanyahu was voted in by Israeli voters.

That's how democracy works.

Yes I agree. But logically you are therefore saying that we are all responsible for the actions of our own governments. So all Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamas.

Populations are being screwed by their leaders. And that includes us.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2025 10:19

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 10:18

Here's a novel idea. Why don't the bands at these music festivals stick to what they know - music. People go to these events to let their hair down. Escapism from the news and other stuff going on. Not to be lectured by a bunch of people who probably know nothing other than what they are fed by palestinian terrorist sympathisers and use their music platform to spout their irrelevant opinions...

Irrelevant and hate aimed at one group.

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 10:20

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 10:16

Not exactly a free democracy in Israel though is it? Palestinians living under Israeli rule don’t have the right to vote. Shocker!

Arabs in Israel have the same vote as Jewish people.

If you're in the occupied areas you don't get a vote because they voted for Hamas and them Hamas ceased elections because they're totalitarian Islamists. That's not Israel's fault - that's how Palestinans chose to live.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 29/06/2025 10:20

Dangermoo · 29/06/2025 10:13

Good job the law doesn't agree with you.

Oh I'm not talking about the law, the law will do its job but hopefully it will encourage people to learn about some of the atrocities committed by the IDF most recently shooting unarmed innocent civilians trying to get aid. Let's hope the law catches up with those too and justice is served.

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 10:21

Yes I agree. But logically you are therefore saying that we are all responsible for the actions of our own governments.

We literally are.

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 10:21

1dayatatime · 29/06/2025 10:06

@Martymcfly24

So in answer to @mids2019 OP there are several reasons for "knobs at Glastonbury "

On the left ever since Marxism and the proletariat and bourgeoisie there is a view of a victim and oppressor. That even if the "proletariat " is lifted out of poverty and is financially much better off by getting employed by say the "bourgeoisie" in a new factory then regardless they are still a "victim " because the "bourgeoisie" are financially gaining more so that the "proletariat " are still being "oppressed ".

In the case of conflicts the left will always view the stronger side as the oppressor regardless of the origins of the conflict. So to take a few examples Japan starts a war with the US bombing Pearl Harbour killing 2,400 people, the US retaliates defeating Japan, killing 3 million Japanese (including 500k to 1 million civilians). But because the US was stronger the left would view the US as the oppressors and the Japanese as the victims regardless of the origin of the conflict (including that the origins of this conflict go much further back than 7 December 1941).

Similarly the 7th October attacks by Hamas caused 1,139 deaths but because Israel have killed 56,000 Gazans to date (Hamas figures) then Israel are the oppressors and the Gazans are the victims.

Lastly to take a hypothetical playground example if a bully "Bob" hit a boy "Jeff" because of a long lasting animosity but it turned out that Jeff was an amateur boxer who in retaliation knocked the shit out of Bob, then under a leftist view Bob is the victim.

Bob Vylan was desperately trying to be "popular " with the crowd with his chants of "death to the IDF". Quite frankly if he thought he would get more "popularity points " with chants of "death to gingers" he would have done that instead. Which is pathetic, hate filled and not dissimilar to the anti semetic rants of the Nazis trying to get "popularity points" with 1930s Germans. So yes there are "knobs" at Glastonbury.

Israel are the oppressors.
That long predates October 7th hence the term Occupied Territory.

Again dehumanizing Palestinians because anyone who does not want to see them snipered/burned alive/ blown apart/starved is just following a trend .

Because their lives couldn't possibly matter enough that people would actually care about them.

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/06/2025 10:23

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:12

Nearly 20 years ago. And how do we know it was a fair election.

And over 50% of the population of Gaza was under 18 nearly 2 years ago.

Since this has begun nearly 2 years ago the population of Gaza has significantly reduced. Of course no one is willing to give independent stats because there are very few independent people in there.

MissAndrey · 29/06/2025 10:24

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 10:18

Here's a novel idea. Why don't the bands at these music festivals stick to what they know - music. People go to these events to let their hair down. Escapism from the news and other stuff going on. Not to be lectured by a bunch of people who probably know nothing other than what they are fed by palestinian terrorist sympathisers and use their music platform to spout their irrelevant opinions...

Music and festivals have always been political. If you can't cope with anything challenging or provocative then stay at home and listen to a boyband.

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:25

NCForThatForumM · 29/06/2025 10:21

Yes I agree. But logically you are therefore saying that we are all responsible for the actions of our own governments.

We literally are.

Yes. So you are saying that the population of any country is responsible for the effects of their own government's actions. I mean, that is the case of course in that they bear the consequences of their government's actions. But are the Palestinians morally responsible for the actions of Hamas? Or the Russians morally responsible for the actions of Putin?

Quirkswork · 29/06/2025 10:27

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/06/2025 10:23

And over 50% of the population of Gaza was under 18 nearly 2 years ago.

Since this has begun nearly 2 years ago the population of Gaza has significantly reduced. Of course no one is willing to give independent stats because there are very few independent people in there.

Yes. So no one voted for Hamas unless they were of voting age in 2006. Where Hamas then executed all their opponents indicating the possibility it may not have been a 100% free and fair election....

Absentmindedsmile · 29/06/2025 10:27

1dayatatime · 29/06/2025 10:13

@Quirkswork

"I think the issue is governments. Whoever is in control. Hamas, Netanyahu, Trump, Starmer. They decide. They are the ones to be held accountable ultimately for whatever they lead their own people into."

So Hamas were voted in by the majority of Gazans. Trump was voted in by the majority of US voters. Starmer was voted in by UK voters and Netanyahu was voted in by Israeli voters.

That's how democracy works.

To be fair there was nothing democratic about Hamas winning the election. They’re a terrorist group. The Palestinians might have ‘voted’ but they didn’t have any choice.

Why people are supporting Hamas, I have no idea. Many Palestinians hate Hamas. They’ve ruined their country - rather than building it up with all the billions of dollars of aid they’ve received over the years (from the west). They’ve built tunnels. One wonders, why?

Clue: It rhymes with mehad.

https://www.muslimmechanics.com/post/taking-over-the-world-islamization-explained

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 10:27

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 10:18

Here's a novel idea. Why don't the bands at these music festivals stick to what they know - music. People go to these events to let their hair down. Escapism from the news and other stuff going on. Not to be lectured by a bunch of people who probably know nothing other than what they are fed by palestinian terrorist sympathisers and use their music platform to spout their irrelevant opinions...

Music has always been a form of protest and political
Bob Marley did it.
The Beatles
The Cranberries
The Clash
The Doors
The Rolling Stones
Black Sabbath.

The novel idea would be if musicians didn't use their platforms .

" Irrelevant opinions"
Dehumanizing again. It's not irrelevant just because you disagree with it.

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