Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

And these are the people you want to hand over a liberal democracy to?

So collective punishment is totally normal and allowed under international law?

Where have I said I want to hand over a liberal democracy? And to who?

I have no skin in this game. It's not the UK's business. I don't like the "taking sides" crap that's going on at the expense of nuance. It means unfortunately that no solution to this will ever be found. It would be good if both sides could recognise the other's point of view occasionally, even if they don't agree with it.

What I do believe in is this country and not persecuting any particular group of people. As I've said upthread, the fact that Jews feel unsafe in the UK is all our business.

Fucking Hitler was voted in by Germany, they thought he was going to improve their quality of life, economy, etc. These people do not show who they are and gain popularity by showing their true faces.

Well- actually Netanyahu has and that says a lot about the Israelis that voted for him.

I'm actually arguing against collective punishment.

Antisemitism isn’t the way to go.

I'm prepared to be ripped a new one. I have tried to understand what I can regard this conflict.

My consistent feelings are ref public displays.....

1. Shut the fuck up. People are being massacred on both sides, in hideous ways. I b elieve people on both sides are capable of depravity and given opportunity - many humans regardless of position - scarily, can and will do this.

So celebs etc - shut up. You don't understand it and what you're doing/ saying. I'm not so inclined to go along with ' baddy here and goody over there'.

However.....

2.The thought of a society led by Islam scares me. I am very much anti all religion to be clear. Right now, however, my focus is upon Islam. I don't like it. I don't want it dominating regions of the world that may and in any way then influence the society I want to be in.

I'm happy to discuss if I'm going to be censored on here for that. I will not happily accept any accusations of Islam phobia and removal of my post I will challenge.

I have no answer to all this at all either.

I can't edit for shit apologies.

I think that's a fairly reasonable balanced view.

I would like to say I can't even believe the poster said that, but I'm not surprised.

You've had the balls to say it.

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Ovaries are tougher😉😁

😆 🤣 get you and your sharp wit! X

Jews were living under Arab rule many moons ago.

“That’s how they choose to live”
So Palestinians living in the occupied territories choose to have restricted access to healthcare, have building permits refused because they aren’t Israeli and then having their homes demolished, have their land taken off them even when the Palestinian can prove ownership with deeds, restrictions on their movement all just to name a few.
They just choose to live like that do they?

Except last night my friend was physically and verbally attacked for wearing a Palestinian pin. He wasn’t talking about the topic, he was minding his own business catching up with his mates (fwiw in a non Jewish area). There are badly behaved people among all groups, including Jews.

Glastonbury has always been a political festival. In 1981 it was called the Glastonbury CND festival and only became the Glastonbury Music and Arts festival in the 90s. The branding all over the stages is Greenpeace, Oxfam, Wateraid. There a huge areas of the site purely for activisim, Leftfield stage, the Greenpace field, Greenfutures and permaculture areas. Its only when Melvin Benn and the BBC came in to pay for the massive fence in 2000 to appease the local council and it become the polished music event that it is today.

So you want to be selective in how justice is applied.

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Does that mean the Palestinians brought the murderous hate on themselves by supporting Hamas when they attacked Israelis at a music festival? When we saw Palestinians celebrating afterwards?

or does that only go one way?

and why can you people never spell it properly? It’s Israel not isreal

Has it always been an anti semitic rally though? Those previous incarnations seem a lot less terrifying for one set of people.

https://medium.com/progressme-magazine/how-arab-colonialism-conquered-the-middle-east-73a247c7465d

Jews were living under Arab rule many moons ago. @Dangermoo

Exactly. For centuries Jews lived in Muslim lands quite contentedly with no desire whatsoever to go to the "Promised Land". Every year millions of Jews (my family included) .would say "Next Year in Jerusalem", but virtually no one ever went Jews in the middle east were happy enough being Jewish, Iraqis, Jewish Iranians, Jewish Moroccans, Jewish Egyptians etc.

It was the Jews in Catholic Spain and then later in Eastern Europe who were in dire straits.

Glastonbury festival organisers have finally apologised and we very much h hope the act will not be invited again. I partly think the Glastonbury organisers were very naive when promoting the festival as one for 'political acitivism'; it has come back to haunt them.
back in the real world there is speculation the 12 day war and its consequent ceasefire any !was to momentum in the Gaza ceasefire process.

An inconvenient bit of history, my dear friend.