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BelleHathor · 22/06/2025 23:31

mouthpipette · 22/06/2025 23:19

Yes International Relations between countries boils down to "it's complicated". I was listening to a discussion yesterday where someone proposed that the reason Iran did not sign a more comprehensive security deal with Russia was because of the 1 million+ Israeli/Russians. @BelleHathor

I recall that after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Israel did condemn it, but was one of the later ones to speak.
Russian is the third most widely spoken language after Hebrew and Arabic.

I remember too, I thought it likely to do with the side that some of the Ukrainians fought with in WW2 (wholly understandable).

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 00:13

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 22/06/2025 23:31

Exactly. @BelleHathor head is in the sand with that comment!

Pleade feel free to enlighten us with your superior knowledge then. I got my information from Nuclear weapons inspectors.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2025 08:27

Reuters: Netanyahu says Israel close to meeting its goals in Iran

Israel is very close to completing its goal of removing the dual threats of Iran's ballistic missiles and nuclear programme, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday.

"I have no doubt that this is a regime that wants to wipe us out, and that's why we embarked on this operation to eliminate the two concrete threats to our existence: the nuclear threat, the ballistic missile threat. We are moving step by step towards achieving these goals. We are very, very close to completing them," he said.

He said Iran's Fordow nuclear site had been very badly damaged by U.S. bunker-buster bombs overnight but the extent of damage remained to be seen. Tehran has vowed to defend itself at all costs.

Asked about the whereabouts of Iran's 60% enriched uranium, Netanyahu said: "We've been following that very closely. I can tell you that it's an important component of a nuclear programme.

"It's not the sole component. It's not a sufficient component. But it is an important component and we have interesting intel on that, which you will excuse me if I don't share with you," he said.

At least until Israel's first strikes against its enrichment installations on June 13, Iran was refining uranium to up to 60% purity, a short step from the roughly 90% that is bomb-grade and far higher than the 3.67% cap imposed by a 2015 nuclear deal, which Iran respected until the year after U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out in 2018.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-israel-close-meeting-its-goals-iran-2025-06-22/

mouthpipette · 23/06/2025 08:32

mouthpipette · 22/06/2025 23:21

You can find some lovely snaps of Putin and Netanyahu, they really do very happy together.

Also, whilst the west have sanctions against Russia, Israel, according to Steve Rosenberg, does not.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2025 08:55

@BelleHathor you say that pictures are starting to come out of Fordow and thankfully the damage looks minimal with extremely small craters.

Firstly, not surprised that you are expressing that you side with Iran and don't want their nuclear facility damaged, despite the well known threat to the West including the UK of Iran ever being allowed to develop nuclear bombs.

Secondly, while experts expect that extensive damage will have been done to the facility, the full extent of the damage cannot yet be fully identified due to the facility being buried underground.

David Albright, a former United Nations nuclear inspector and president of the Institute for Science and International Security, stated that he expected the Fordo facility to be "destroyed."

However, Decker Eveleth, a satellite imagery specialist and associate researcher at CNA, urged caution, noting that Fordo’s hundreds of centrifuges are buried too deep to determine the full extent of the damage using satellite photos alone.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/artc-experts-question-extent-of-damage-to-iranian-nuclear-sites-following-u-s-strike

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 09:27

Twiglets I'm not going to bother arguing with you as it's a waste of my time.

If not wanting thousands of Iranians to die, including people I know and care about is "supporting Iran" then so be it my conscious is clear.

You continue believing the same neocons that have lied us into every middle east misadventure/intervention. I will stand with the majority of Americans (including veterans) who are against this.

By the way i24 is the outlet where the 40 beheaded babies lie originated.

https://x.com/Israel/status/1711730914471092404

https://x.com/Israel/status/1711730914471092404

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 09:37

I'm just catching up now. I must say that this recent escalation has made me nervous. The only saving grace is our government have openly said they were not involved. I'm just wondering what happens next now?

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 09:42

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 09:27

Twiglets I'm not going to bother arguing with you as it's a waste of my time.

If not wanting thousands of Iranians to die, including people I know and care about is "supporting Iran" then so be it my conscious is clear.

You continue believing the same neocons that have lied us into every middle east misadventure/intervention. I will stand with the majority of Americans (including veterans) who are against this.

By the way i24 is the outlet where the 40 beheaded babies lie originated.

https://x.com/Israel/status/1711730914471092404

@BelleHathorI think the regime is abhorrent but it’s not the people. It looks like Israel and Iran will continue which is sad for both groups.

I’m interested, what would you do about the Iranian nuclear development threat?

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 09:45

Iran have said they moved most of the highly enriched uranium from Fordow before the strikes. They could be lying, but if they are saying the truth then those strikes didn't achieve what they set out to do.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 09:54

Interesting from an Iranian journalist who was interviewed this morning.

Asked where the majority of public opinion is, he said: "For the first time in four or five decades I see a solidarity among the Iranian people which was never seen inside Iran before.
"We probably had this solidarity during the Iran-Iraq war and now it is back again.
"If you walk through the Iranian streets everyone is asking for a hard response, especially against Israel.
"And now everyone is questioning why the nuclear bomb is not being produced."

This could just spur the government who were previously not building a bomb, to go right ahead and do it if they have saved the uranium.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 09:56

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 09:54

Interesting from an Iranian journalist who was interviewed this morning.

Asked where the majority of public opinion is, he said: "For the first time in four or five decades I see a solidarity among the Iranian people which was never seen inside Iran before.
"We probably had this solidarity during the Iran-Iraq war and now it is back again.
"If you walk through the Iranian streets everyone is asking for a hard response, especially against Israel.
"And now everyone is questioning why the nuclear bomb is not being produced."

This could just spur the government who were previously not building a bomb, to go right ahead and do it if they have saved the uranium.

Does it matter to the regime what the people think?

It hasn’t so far. Women have spoken up and had brutal consequences.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 10:04

I don't think the regime will race towards building a nuclear bomb just because the people call for it - that's if they do decide to. I think it will be based on the need for what they may justify as a 'deterrant' after the strikes by Israel and the US.

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 10:18

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 09:42

@BelleHathorI think the regime is abhorrent but it’s not the people. It looks like Israel and Iran will continue which is sad for both groups.

I’m interested, what would you do about the Iranian nuclear development threat?

Unfortunately they're going to continue as this battle is an existential threat to both countries survival.

Personally, I didn’t see Irans nuclear development as a threat, it was and still is (for now) a peaceful nuclear program. Due to sanctions Iran needed a way to provide cheap energy to it's citizens.

The Ayatollahs Fatwa against building a nuclear weapon was also another guarantee. I've watched with fascination people berate Iran for the last 20 months for not getting directly involved militarily to stop what's happening in Gaza. As we've seen in the last 10 days their conventional rockets are extremely capable.

Now after Netanyahu's and Trump’s violations of sovereignty, I'm in agreement with something Professor John Mearsheimer said years ago.

"If nations like Iran don’t get nukes, predators like the US and Israel will rip them to shreds without hesitation.

North Korea got the memo, disarmament is a death sentence.
The only way to survive in this world is to be armed to the teeth."

Video at this link. https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1932917423927414981

To restore the balance if power in the region, either it must be completely denuclearized (including Israel) or countries allowed to arm themselves.

https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1932917423927414981

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:25

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 10:18

Unfortunately they're going to continue as this battle is an existential threat to both countries survival.

Personally, I didn’t see Irans nuclear development as a threat, it was and still is (for now) a peaceful nuclear program. Due to sanctions Iran needed a way to provide cheap energy to it's citizens.

The Ayatollahs Fatwa against building a nuclear weapon was also another guarantee. I've watched with fascination people berate Iran for the last 20 months for not getting directly involved militarily to stop what's happening in Gaza. As we've seen in the last 10 days their conventional rockets are extremely capable.

Now after Netanyahu's and Trump’s violations of sovereignty, I'm in agreement with something Professor John Mearsheimer said years ago.

"If nations like Iran don’t get nukes, predators like the US and Israel will rip them to shreds without hesitation.

North Korea got the memo, disarmament is a death sentence.
The only way to survive in this world is to be armed to the teeth."

Video at this link. https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1932917423927414981

To restore the balance if power in the region, either it must be completely denuclearized (including Israel) or countries allowed to arm themselves.

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Ok I can’t see this as assurance enough.

We’ve had agreements in place to stop it as it’s a threat no one wants.

And recently this report was issued

The global nuclear watchdog's board of governors has formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Nineteen of the 35 countries on the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voted for the motion, which was backed by the US, UK, France and Germany.

It says Iran's "many failures" to provide the IAEA with full answers about its undeclared nuclear material and activities constitutes non-compliance. It also expresses concern about Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.

Iran condemned the resolution as "political" and said it would open a new enrichment facility.

It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:32

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 10:04

I don't think the regime will race towards building a nuclear bomb just because the people call for it - that's if they do decide to. I think it will be based on the need for what they may justify as a 'deterrant' after the strikes by Israel and the US.

The only thing I’ve heard before the strikes on the enriched uranium from Iran is it was a ‘deterrent’

In the answer to why did you have this?

The stuff about not wanting to get there beforehand sounds deeply dishonest and concerning

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 10:35

@BelleHathor ”Personally, I didn’t see Irans nuclear development as a threat, it was and still is (for now) a peaceful nuclear program. ”

You are fucking deluded.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 10:39

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:32

The only thing I’ve heard before the strikes on the enriched uranium from Iran is it was a ‘deterrent’

In the answer to why did you have this?

The stuff about not wanting to get there beforehand sounds deeply dishonest and concerning

Why? This isn't me just making stuff up. Netanyahu said they were trying to build a bomb but many other experts have said they were not. I mean you can disagree with their intelligence if you want to but it doesn't mean those who consider it credible are 'dishonest'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn840275p5yo.amp

The Bushehr nuclear power plant is seen in a coastal village on the northern coast of the Gulf in Bushehr province, Iran (24 April 2024)

Was Iran months away from producing a nuclear bomb? - BBC News

Israel's PM says it struck Iran at the heart of its "weaponization programme", but Iran insists its nuclear facilities were peaceful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn840275p5yo.amp

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 10:41

Here

However, Kelsey Davenport, director for non-proliferation policy at the US-based Arms Control Association, told the BBC on Friday that Israel's prime minister "did not present any clear or compelling evidence that Iran was on the brink of weaponizing".
"Iran has been at a near-zero breakout for months," she told the BBC, referring to the time it would take Iran to acquire enough fissile material for one bomb if it chose to do so.
"Similarly, the assessment that Iran could develop a crude nuclear weapon within a few months is not new."
She said some of Iran's nuclear activities would be applicable to developing a bomb, but US intelligence agencies had assessed that Iran was not engaged in key weaponization work.
This March, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard told Congress that Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium was "at its highest levels" and "unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons".
But Gabbard also said the US intelligence community "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei has not authorised the nuclear weapons programme that he suspended in 2003".

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:42

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2025 08:18

Yes I do know there were more than 3 but Fordow was the main one.

I think you’re just swallowing Iranian propaganda if you believe the US hasn’t obliterated Fordor.

Looking like bravado .. I don’t think so. I think the bombing was highly successful from the US point of view.

Edited

There is many nuclear bases in iran i think its more in UK we are force fed American propaganda, iran has never used nuclear weapons. Israel however has nuclear weapons and after the genocide.of palestine and the behavior I dont think israel can be trusted with a water gun

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:45

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 10:35

@BelleHathor ”Personally, I didn’t see Irans nuclear development as a threat, it was and still is (for now) a peaceful nuclear program. ”

You are fucking deluded.

Do you agree with this from @BelleHathor @Whatsinanamehey?

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:48

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:45

Do you agree with this from @BelleHathor @Whatsinanamehey?

Yes I do, who is israel to dictate who can and can't have nuclear powers? As far as I can see the biggest terrorist is Israeli government. They need disbanding and he needs treating same as saddle for ethnic cleansing we shouldn't let his skin colour blind us to his behavior

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 10:49

I have made my stance clear to you many many times after you have asked many times. @easternstandard I'm not going to keep going round in circles.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:49

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:48

Yes I do, who is israel to dictate who can and can't have nuclear powers? As far as I can see the biggest terrorist is Israeli government. They need disbanding and he needs treating same as saddle for ethnic cleansing we shouldn't let his skin colour blind us to his behavior

Do you live in the UK?

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 10:51

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:25

Ok I can’t see this as assurance enough.

We’ve had agreements in place to stop it as it’s a threat no one wants.

And recently this report was issued

The global nuclear watchdog's board of governors has formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Nineteen of the 35 countries on the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voted for the motion, which was backed by the US, UK, France and Germany.

It says Iran's "many failures" to provide the IAEA with full answers about its undeclared nuclear material and activities constitutes non-compliance. It also expresses concern about Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.

Iran condemned the resolution as "political" and said it would open a new enrichment facility.

It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

The IAEA has been compromised as an organisation, Grossi recently addressed Iran obtaining secret documents related to the Israeli nuclear program. Also there are allegations that it leaked the names of Iranian Nuclear scientists.

It's all very murky.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-nuclear-programs-iaea-94c0f87c357fd72169dee198cb6800a7

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjzocue7gl

Rafael Mariano Grossi, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, speaks to journalists during press conference in Kyiv, Ukraine, on Tuesday, June 3, 2025. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)

IAEA chief says information obtained by Iran 'seems to refer' to Israeli nuclear research site

The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency says that information Iran claims to have obtained regarding Israel’s nuclear program “seems to refer” to the country’s Soreq Nuclear Research Center.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-nuclear-programs-iaea-94c0f87c357fd72169dee198cb6800a7

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:53

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:49

Do you live in the UK?

Yes I do was born here why is that even relevant