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EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:54

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 10:51

The IAEA has been compromised as an organisation, Grossi recently addressed Iran obtaining secret documents related to the Israeli nuclear program. Also there are allegations that it leaked the names of Iranian Nuclear scientists.

It's all very murky.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-nuclear-programs-iaea-94c0f87c357fd72169dee198cb6800a7

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjzocue7gl

I don’t trust anything on enriched uranium being sold in as peaceful.

What do you think of the Iranian regime?

quantumbutterfly · 23/06/2025 10:58

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:53

Yes I do was born here why is that even relevant

Perhaps because of your curious turn of phrase or possible typo.?

Why is skin colour relevant?

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:04

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 10:53

Yes I do was born here why is that even relevant

Wondering where people who are certain Iran poses no desire or threat re a nuclear weapon are, and why they are so certain.

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 11:07

quantumbutterfly · 23/06/2025 10:58

Perhaps because of your curious turn of phrase or possible typo.?

Why is skin colour relevant?

I wouldn't call it a curious turn of phrase id call it a genuine sick of being dragged into American wars against terror when in reality it has a scaremongering agenda behind it, if Israeli prime minister aster had Arab skin he would of been vilified already

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 11:08

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:54

I don’t trust anything on enriched uranium being sold in as peaceful.

What do you think of the Iranian regime?

I try not to think of it as a "regime" as I see that as a very western way of labelling a system they do not agree with.

The Ayatollahs are the ultimate result of the UK/US orchestrated coup in 1953 to install the Shah.

I think it's up to the 90 million Iranians to decide how they want to be governed.
During the election last year there was very lively and open debate over the candidates (I know people who absolutely hate the current reformist government).

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:17

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 11:08

I try not to think of it as a "regime" as I see that as a very western way of labelling a system they do not agree with.

The Ayatollahs are the ultimate result of the UK/US orchestrated coup in 1953 to install the Shah.

I think it's up to the 90 million Iranians to decide how they want to be governed.
During the election last year there was very lively and open debate over the candidates (I know people who absolutely hate the current reformist government).

Do you think they do a good job?

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 11:23

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:17

Do you think they do a good job?

I think that the UK needs to.stay put of other people business it wont be keornatarmers kods getting slaughtered on the army it will be normal working.class parents losing kods.

It's beyond me.how in the UK we have a national.emergency of violence against women and girls bit we think it ok to send money to.israel and bombs to partaken a genocide

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 11:54

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:17

Do you think they do a good job?

It's not up to me sitting in the UK to decide or opine on whether they do a good job or whether this system or that system would be better.

I know that Iran has a rich, varied wonderful culture. I also know that Iranians value education and have some of the highest iqs in the world with 70% of university graduates in science, technology, engineering and mathematics being women and 52% of doctors also women.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:58

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 11:54

It's not up to me sitting in the UK to decide or opine on whether they do a good job or whether this system or that system would be better.

I know that Iran has a rich, varied wonderful culture. I also know that Iranians value education and have some of the highest iqs in the world with 70% of university graduates in science, technology, engineering and mathematics being women and 52% of doctors also women.

Why not? They clearly impact a country you care about.

Yes Iran has a rich history and education but you can’t quite talk about who women have protested against.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2025 12:24

It’s irrelevant what you think of the source I quoted from @BelleHathor because as you could see, they were directly quoting a former UN nuclear inspector and a satellite imagery specialist.

You disregard the source because you don’t wish to acknowledge comments made from experts that contradict your opinions. I think you’re getting your information from somewhere like Al Jazeera as you’re repeating propaganda coming out of Iran about only a tiny bit of damage being done to the nuclear sites.

The reality is there is likely to be a lot of damage but it’s hard to assess exactly how much at the moment. Iran is not sharing photos of the damage underneath the surface.

Most of the damage will be deep underground where the bombs exploded & not visible on the surface.

WokeyWokeyGetUpNow · 23/06/2025 12:30

Apart from the bombings over a short period on time on specific sites to do with nuclear advancement has the US carried out any other attacks?

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 12:47

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 11:58

Why not? They clearly impact a country you care about.

Yes Iran has a rich history and education but you can’t quite talk about who women have protested against.

Obviously women are protesting and I support them in their protests (where they are organic and not funded by ecternal NGOs as a tool of regime change).

What I don't support is the idea that we can somehow "bomb" them into being like us or into "freedom" as if the West is the blueprint.

All that has happened is that this unprovoked campaign has united most Iranians against foreign interference.

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 12:50

Twiglets it will take weeks to assess the damage. So it is a wait and see exercise.

Grossi at the UN security meeting yesterday wants Iran to allow inspectors to inspect the sites. Iran is (rightly some would say) is reluctant.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2025 13:06

@BelleHathor I’m glad you acknowledge now that it will take a while to ascertain the full extent of the damage rather than what you said earlier, “thankfully the damage looks minimal with extremely small craters. ”

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 13:10

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 12:47

Obviously women are protesting and I support them in their protests (where they are organic and not funded by ecternal NGOs as a tool of regime change).

What I don't support is the idea that we can somehow "bomb" them into being like us or into "freedom" as if the West is the blueprint.

All that has happened is that this unprovoked campaign has united most Iranians against foreign interference.

Ok that wasn’t the question though. It was what do you think of the leaders

You do have opinions on other Iran related things so I’m not sure why they are out of scope.

They are impacting people hugely for a start.

WokeyWokeyGetUpNow · 23/06/2025 13:18

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 12:47

Obviously women are protesting and I support them in their protests (where they are organic and not funded by ecternal NGOs as a tool of regime change).

What I don't support is the idea that we can somehow "bomb" them into being like us or into "freedom" as if the West is the blueprint.

All that has happened is that this unprovoked campaign has united most Iranians against foreign interference.

If the US has bombed nuclear areas to prevent nuclear advancement then how is that 'bombing them to be like us'? If Iranians want to live under their regime carry on, if they don't rise up. Whatever.

But bombing the nuclear advancement of a country that funds terrorists to kill people to slow down their ability to get a nuclear weapon then that's not bombing them to be like us. We are nothing like them (thankfully). Imagine living like that. Hot conditions and most women are oppressed and wearing black robes. The interviews on TV today a couple of women without veils spoke and large number of shrouded women? who knows you couldn't tell. I'd hate to be a women there but perhaps it's all some know. Some might thing it's great, men being superior and women deserving less. Whatever they want. Just don't have nuclear weapons.

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 13:29

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 13:10

Ok that wasn’t the question though. It was what do you think of the leaders

You do have opinions on other Iran related things so I’m not sure why they are out of scope.

They are impacting people hugely for a start.

Having friends that are Shia, I understand that to them Khamenei is for Shias the equivalent to the pope. Having listened to religious scholars to try and learn more, I respect their faith and their knowledge and history.

Read up on Ashura and Imam Ali if you want to learn more about why these actions will not turn out how the planners hope.

If you're asking about the reformist government, I think that they failed to reinstate deterrence last year and that's why we are where we are.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 14:23

BelleHathor · 23/06/2025 13:29

Having friends that are Shia, I understand that to them Khamenei is for Shias the equivalent to the pope. Having listened to religious scholars to try and learn more, I respect their faith and their knowledge and history.

Read up on Ashura and Imam Ali if you want to learn more about why these actions will not turn out how the planners hope.

If you're asking about the reformist government, I think that they failed to reinstate deterrence last year and that's why we are where we are.

Overriding women who are subject to the outcomes?

I’m not sure why women should respect it.

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 14:23

WokeyWokeyGetUpNow · 23/06/2025 13:18

If the US has bombed nuclear areas to prevent nuclear advancement then how is that 'bombing them to be like us'? If Iranians want to live under their regime carry on, if they don't rise up. Whatever.

But bombing the nuclear advancement of a country that funds terrorists to kill people to slow down their ability to get a nuclear weapon then that's not bombing them to be like us. We are nothing like them (thankfully). Imagine living like that. Hot conditions and most women are oppressed and wearing black robes. The interviews on TV today a couple of women without veils spoke and large number of shrouded women? who knows you couldn't tell. I'd hate to be a women there but perhaps it's all some know. Some might thing it's great, men being superior and women deserving less. Whatever they want. Just don't have nuclear weapons.

Im guessing you never went to Iran,? My sisters in law and my cousins and aunts are far from oppressed all of them were encouraged to go university several of them are well respected docters all of them run the show in their houses.

it amazing being able to have women only trains restaurants docters waiting rooms no men catcalling lots of kind people and amazing healthcare plus they love.kids very kid friendly

also.the comment about the weather it snows in iran 😆 its not a desert its a varied landscape with varied weather lt is hot in some places and cold in others depending where in the country you are.

As for the head scarfs yeah it pretty normal to wear them as its an Islamic country that's their culture but lots domt wear them, their is as much corruption as the UK government wise but also iran allows women to apply for divorce etc and their heavier penalties there dor domestic violence and rape than there is here.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 14:32

@Persisnmum9090 that's very interesting, thanks for sharing. I have come across a couple of female vloggers from Iran in the past. The usual day in my life, cooking, lifestyle content. I noticed how many of them were travelling outside without full covering, going to coffee shops, working in the public sphere etc. It was very different to what is portrayed by the media.

I'm curious to know, are there some cities or areas that are more conservative than others? Iran is a large country so my guess is that the culture and social norms in different areas may vary.

tamade · 23/06/2025 14:55

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 10:54

I don’t trust anything on enriched uranium being sold in as peaceful.

What do you think of the Iranian regime?

some nuclear reactors for power generation use enriched uranium, the energy cost of the enrichment is paid back by the increased efficiency of the nuclear fission.

having said that I think Iran’s continued enrichment activity was more of a negotiation gambit; something that they could relatively easily agree to stop doing during the negotiations. Obviously if that’s what it was it’s backfired rather.

Persisnmum9090 · 23/06/2025 14:58

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 14:32

@Persisnmum9090 that's very interesting, thanks for sharing. I have come across a couple of female vloggers from Iran in the past. The usual day in my life, cooking, lifestyle content. I noticed how many of them were travelling outside without full covering, going to coffee shops, working in the public sphere etc. It was very different to what is portrayed by the media.

I'm curious to know, are there some cities or areas that are more conservative than others? Iran is a large country so my guess is that the culture and social norms in different areas may vary.

To be fair before the revolution which is when my dad came here people wore mini skirts lol smoked drunk it was cosmopolitan almost western type of country, the further out the city's you go the more traditional things are.

There was quite a surge of kurdish people there in the mid 90s aswell ams some of the tribes from that area have very strict and violent ideas around women.

I suppose that sadly women whwew even we are are always down trodden look at the UK nore rapes.sexual assaults and domestic violence than anywhere in Europe and lowest conviction rate aswell.

Once all this over I hope to travel back over to see my family because god im petrified for them and the kids

izthiszeend · 23/06/2025 15:25

Why are you talking about women in Iran?
You either think bombing them is helpful (look at Gaza), or you are trying to steer the conversation away from the trouble-makers.

While we are here, anyone for dropping bombs on Afghanistan? I’ve heard women suffer there too. Oh wait, the US did once drop the MOAB on them, it was probably a test.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 15:47

izthiszeend · 23/06/2025 15:25

Why are you talking about women in Iran?
You either think bombing them is helpful (look at Gaza), or you are trying to steer the conversation away from the trouble-makers.

While we are here, anyone for dropping bombs on Afghanistan? I’ve heard women suffer there too. Oh wait, the US did once drop the MOAB on them, it was probably a test.

Do people not like women being talked about?

Interesting

izthiszeend · 23/06/2025 15:51

Yep, my point exactly

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