To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

Like many many places at the time and throughout history. Its always painful but its not unique to the creation of Israel or the collapse of the British empire.

And yes, you're right, to describe the shoah as 'persecution' is grotesque. This person has already unapologetically said they have no empathy for Israeli people. Its clear they have none for Jewish people. There is a word for that.

You have no attention of addressing your ignorance so there is no point in discussing further with you.

oh give over, there are millions of non Zionist Jews who opposed Israel far more strongly than I do. and the most vocal supporters of Zionism in the USA are Christian

Yes but you could not deny that Palestininans were not at that time restricted to relatively two tiny spaces, and were free to move and live their lives before the mass displacement to make room for millions of European/American Jews who moved there.

The 'fact' that ir was partitioned among those who lived there is one of the biggest lies I was taught in history lessons. read about the forceful and brutal misplacement of Palestinian people to make room for Jewish people who came from all over the world and who had not previouslt lived anywhere near the territory. Reading up on it was so wide opening- and what followed suit.

There are less than 16 million Jews in the whole world, half living in Israel. A tiny number of Jews don't believe the state of Israel should exist (and for quite particular, much misundetstood reasons, on the whole). The number of Christian zionists is a complete irrelevance. Your grasp of maths is as ropey as your history.

most of the Jews that went to Palestine after WW2 don't have a drop of ME blood, they were European converts this is nonsense. Where are you getting this from?

there are millions of non Zionist Jews who opposed Israel far more strongly than I do. as above . There are only 15.8 million Jews in the world of whom nearly half live in Israel (I would assume minimally Zionists at the least). Of the 8 million or so outside of Israel, how many of those are kids?? And actually polls regularly suggest the vast majority of Jews are Zionists

I can't even begin to describe how I felt on reading this. The undertones on some of these posts is just wow.

I know. Its dripping with hatred rooted in ignorance.

Maybe you can recommend your source of knowledge.

this kinda sums it up. you are complaining about undertones. Israel is slaughtering thousands and thousands of Palestinian children and leaving thousands more without limbs and family. my bottom line is if my own countrys continued existence depended on THAT, I wouldn't even support my own country. I have no sympathy for anyone who DOES think that is an acceptable price to pay

Really? Tell me why you think this? Why do you feel it necessary to take sides in a war we have nothing to do with?

The point is no one stole anyone’s land in 1948.

We cross posted! I too am interested in @hareclive sources.

Such exaggerated language. It's always women and children being 'slaughtered' isn't it. Where are all the men?

Many Palestinians invited Jewish refugees in their homes after the holocaust. Some of these same refugees later took over the homes of Palestinians and kicked them out when the state of Israel was created.

The Palestinians have been oppressed and persecuted by the Israelis for years and years which is conveniently overlooked by those rushing to defend Israel over every injustice they carry out.

The Jewish minority that were already living there were PALESTINIAN Jews. They lived in harmony with other Palestinians. This whole conflict started when the land was forcibly taken off the Palestinians when it was wasn't Palestinians in Europe who carried out the evil holocaust. Yet they were forced to give up their land and homes never to return again.

Israel has once again breached international law in striking Iran. I wish all the innocent Iranians safety in this latest war, as I do all the other innocent people, of all nationalities, who are losing their lives as a result of Israel’s actions.

The biggest lie in this mess was when the founder of zionism called it a land for a people, for a people without a land. That land already had Palestinians living there. It was not for the British to carve up and give away due to the sins of Germany.

It's weird how you went from having no particular view on Israelis to spouting the kind of lies that only come from antisemitic propaganda.

I don't support what Israel has done in Gaza either but you need to be a lot more discerning about where your 'information' comes from.

Two years on and it's groundhog day. Still the same narrative, that's been sacked up and run with. These terrorists have done a great job with their brainwashing. I'm sure some of the posters' history books have pages missing before 1948.

Do you not understand that the deaths of civilians during an armed conflict, who are bombed in their homes* when the aim of those dropping the bombs is to kill combatants or knock out artillery batteries is fundamentally different to kidnapping children from their homes, with their mother, and holding them in horrific conditions until you kill them in cold blood?

It's like accusing a policeman of murder if, when struggling to restrain an armed criminal, he falls onto a pushchair and kills a small baby.

If you can't see the difference, you have no business whatsoever to be lecturing anyone else about empathy. I'm not Israeli. I'm not even Jewish. I can see the difference.

The whole rigmarole of the return of the bodies of Kfir, Ariel and Shiri Bibas to Israel was completely nauseating. There was no respect for them whatsoever.

So, once again, RIP Ariel and Kfir Bibas. And their mother.

*Because their government would rather spend money on digging tunnels than on providing air raid protection - killing Jews Israelis matters more to them than protecting their own people.