Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling

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Maybe Gary Lineker's departure acts as a warning for this not acquainted with history to go around randomly reposting pro Palestinian links though I suspect he is not the only one. In a way it is a sad demise to a career but an absolutely necessary one and a timely warning that a proportion of P Palestinian supporters are anti semites.

for to say I didn't like the Gaurdian 's take that the BBC were looking to sack Gary anyway and he just have them an excuse.

How often do we expect Muslims to speak out about the atrocities committed in the name of Islam? We don't because not every Muslim is implicated by those actions and it's the same for Jews surely

And yet posters denouncing the actions of Israel on here are continuously called upon to proclaim that they don’t support Hamas

@Karmakamelionyou’re right. Muslims shouldn’t either. Same argument applies. I was merely replying to the thoughts of a poster who seemed to feel that British Jews needed a stronger position somehow because of their faith. They do not.
i am not Jewish by the way! Just aware that its an unfair request to make - same, as you say, as for Muslims

People sure were gunning for Muslims after the Southport killings, I'll never forget the mumsnet threads at that time, it was disgusting as soon as 1 anti Muslim thread was deleted another one was created. Riot police had to be called to try and stop people attacking a mosque. It was an absolute frenzy. So yes some people definitely do hold Muslims responsible for the actions of not just Muslims but for the actions of anyone who isn't white. They shouldn't but it is disingenuous to say that people don't.

This.

Completely different than specifically asking Jewish people to comment on the actions of Israel.

Is it? I find anyone who doesn’t condemn Hamas atrocities reprehensible. The same for the actions of the IDF-whether Jewish or not. Anybody who is not outraged that there are 14000 babies 48 hours from death from starvation (UN figures) is not a person deserving any consideration whatsoever.

Here’s Tony Benn- nothing changes.https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdhkr1P4/

This is fake news. It is just not true. I'm sure that will be a relief to anyone distressed by the claim.

How despicable.
Just like those who deny the holocaust.
It is real. Very real.
These events show how the human race can be so evil.

It is undeniable that antisemitism has increased since 7/10.

I’m not suggesting that the Jewish diaspora are in anyway to blame for what’s happening in Israel.
I wouldn’t even expect them to call out Israel. I can understand why there is a mixed response when Jewish leaders do criticise Israeli actions- although I feel that this may help mend bridges at a difficult time. These leaders are very brave.

Lord Levy spoke eloquently on World at One today. I feel this can only help reduce antisemitism but also appreciate this should not be required.

‘It is so difficult to watch the news and see what’s going on in Gaza, to the civilian population, to innocent children and the total destruction —and then to listen to the words of some of the far-right ministers, Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, and what they are saying. That, to me, is not the way I was brought up as a Jew.”

www.jewishnews.co.uk/lord-levy-former-mid-east-envoy-backs-david-lammy-on-israel/

I can understood anger directed at GL but it feels that it is an anger that is trying to find an easy target as it’s easier than saying pictures of starving children are a PR disaster for Israel.

It is categorically not true that 14000 babies will die of malnutrition before the end of whatever is supposed to be left of the alleged 48 hours. That should make you feel better, not drive you to a tirade of frustrated abuse. How dare you compare me to a holocaust denier or call me evil for pointing out the blatant lie. I sometimes think some people want the histrionic horrors to be true.

A balant lie and fake news was about 40 beheaded babies – which the Israeli government press office since confirmed to Le Monde was not true – was potent and emotive.

It wasn’t fake news as in there is no truth in the concern due to the danger and urgency of the situation.

It was Tom Fletcher (who works for UN in co-ordinating relief) desperate to let the world know how dire the situation is in Gaza. He should have said this aid needs to get there asap- ideally with 48 hours. The 14,000 is projected figure of aid doesn’t get in.

Not sure why this should come as a significant relief to anyone - the situation is still risking the lives of young children.

« We're now hearing from mothers in Gaza, who tell BBC Arabic's Middle East Daily programme that they’re "watching their children grow weak from hunger".
Shahinaz, a mother of two, says she her seven-month-old baby "screams constantly from hunger".
She explains that her baby’s immune system is very weak and her daughter is suffering from a calcium deficiency. "No-one is able to help us in our suffering," she adds.
Fatima Khamis, a mother of two young children, shares that she can no longer produce breast milk, and baby formula is either unavailable or unaffordable.
"My baby's face is pale from hunger, and he is severely weak," she says, adding that the "root cause - lack of food and proper nutrition - remains".
A third mother, Hana Mahmoud Ismail, says the lack of food during her pregnancy affected her baby’s development.
"He still cannot sit up, and his teeth have not yet started to come in," she said of her five-month-old son.«

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq8037dd3p9t

@Alltheprettyseahorses
No sane person should « feel better » as children will be dying. Can imagine the horror at even one preventable death from starvation in a Western country?

Netanyahu is a monster. There is no doubting that. What is happening is awful.

BUT, you have to ask yourself why people choose only this cause to re-post about when there are other absolute atrocities and tragedies occuring both currently and in the past.
I have friends on social media who are reposting anything they come across regarding that is anti israel, yet never anything else about any other humanitarian crisis / war etc.
You HAVE to ask yourself why people choose this cause over others. More & rife propaganda and media coverage yes. (Lets not forget that there are 0.2% of Jews compared to 23% Muslims in this world) but I cannot help but question why my friend chooses to care so much more about a Palestinian child than a Sudanese. Ignorance? Or Bias? Or worse, Anti Senitism?

The famine in Sudan is due to internal conflict and not enabled by a Government seen as an ally of the West, a country with which there are strong cultural and trade links with Western countries, and until recently our governments seemed not to care..
This has been discussed repeatedly on the board.

What can we do to substantially change what is happening in Sudan? We can review trade links with Israel which UK is now doing.

I can see why you view this as antisemitism - but I think there would be similar criticisms of any Western Government preventing food reaching starving children 😮

It is anti-semitic to care about starving Palestinian children? Wow! Would you listen to yourself. Why are yo so triggered by people caring that a Palestinian child is suffering and malnourished and wants them to get access to aid asap? That is the question people should be asking themselves, have you dehumanised them to that extent that you can't even cope with others caring about them?

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend You have completely missed my point.

@Stripes56 I hear your point. I suppose as I know some of these people very personally, I know that they haven’t chosen to be this vocal about other wars and causes in which the Western world were complicit, so it feels pertinent that they choose only this situation.

well explain it better then?

This sentence was pretty clear to me

but I cannot help but question why my friend chooses to care so much more about a Palestinian child than a Sudanese. Ignorance? Or Bias? Or worse, Anti Senitism?
I can't speak for your friend but what makes you think anyone cares more or less about one child over another? and I ask again why is it this that you are focused on?

Edited to add, please don't pit one horrific situation against another it is just distressing and deflecting and serves neither

What makes me thinks my friend cares more about a Palestinian child than a Sudanese child?
As per my point, because they only ever post about Palestine and never about Sudan. Or any other cause. It doesn’t tell me that they don’t care about ALL children. It tells me that they appear to care MORE about anything relating to this cause and it makes me wonder, why?
As Stripes said, perhaps its because of the ties with our own Western politics.

And I think this is why Israel has been allowed to continue behaving so
appallingly - many people fear being labelled anti-semitic, just like you are judging your friend.
The Western world will regret this fear, it has allowed a horrific situation to unfold in Gaza. Defence is one thing - what's happening in Gaza is revenge in the extreme. No other Western country would get away with it.

Lets not forget that there are 0.2% of Jews compared to 23% Muslims in this world
why? Why do you think this is pertinent? 31% are Christian, 6% are Buddhist…who cares?

As a society, we’ve accepted that you can’t truly understand racism & discrimination unless you’ve experienced it—and so we don’t doubt those who have (this is not always the case unfortunately & we still have huge work to do). Yet, it does feel, that that same respect doesn’t always extend to Jews.