Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.

[CrunchyKnees]

I mean tbh, I wouldn’t be even slightly surprised if they are successful. No wonder they tried this in the UK first.

Why haven’t these solicitors been arrested for acting on behalf of, and supporting, a proscribed terrorist organisation already? This is a crime in the UK.

Even after Hamas leaders admitted to the Oct 7th atrocities and said they’d do it again and again.

This is an actual ‘look at our cool team walking in slow motion down the street’ video from the law firm on the case:
https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/09/hamas-calls-on-the-uk-government-to-remove-it-from-list-of-banned-terrorist-groups

What is the MN consensus - Hamas are Freedom Fighters (seen this stated on here multiple occasions) or a terrorist organisation?

The majority are Hamas fighters? What’s your evidence for that? What a load of tripe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

That article is 6 months old and absolute tripe

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/01/hamas-drops-thousands-of-deaths-from-casualty-figurures/

The figure, which does not distinguish between civilians and the 17,000 terrorists Israel says it has killed in Gaza, also includes about 5,000 people who die of natural causes each year, states the report.

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“This report raises serious concerns that the Gaza MoH figures have been overstated,” wrote Andrew Fox, an analyst who specializes in defense, the Middle East and disinformation, who wrote the report for the Henry Jackson Society.

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The report was reported on Saturday in mainstream media, including the New York Postand The Telegraph, whose article the Israel Foreign Ministry reposted on X.

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‘Questionable Counting’

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“The data behind their figures contains natural deaths, deaths from before this conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself; it contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed,” reads the report, titled “Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll from the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza.”

Some cancer patients were listed as requiring treatment after they had already been listed as war causalities. Jihad Mahmoud Adeeb Al-Taweel, ID number 950130153, was described in an April 15 list as a patient with laryngeal cancer, two weeks after being listed as a war fatality.

https://nationalpost.com/news/hamas-vastly-inflated-gaza-death-statistics-study-shows

On the Henry Jackson Society, the right-wing think tank who wrote the article:

Co-founder Matthew Jamison, who now works for YouGov, wrote in 2017 that he was ashamed of his involvement, having never imagined the Henry Jackson Society "would become a far-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist ... propaganda outfit to smear other cultures, religions and ethnic groups". He claimed that "The HJS for many years has relentlessly demonised Muslims and Islam".

Ok, shoot the messenger if you want. But the facts stay the same

But for arguments sake, let's take your figures. How many were eliminated combatants?

And actually, if you read the full report you'll see it's well documented and evidenced, you can dislike the Society, but you can't argue with the facts

Hamas Report

Even if the above turns out to be the case there is no pride in saying Israel has “only” killed 45,000 people.

however I find it very difficult to take seriously.

We have all seen the images, Gaza has been flattened. It would be impossible to do so much damage without a high number of civilian casualties.
If you drop unguided bombs on a tightly populated area where 50% of the residents are children, you will be killing lots of children. It really doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.

i also don’t need to read a report in the lancet to figure out that with - so many hospitals left not functioning, a damaged sewage system, a collapsed waste deposal system, bombed water pipelines, bombed agricultural land and toxins from death bodies, unexploded munitions, asbestos and everything else you might find in a bombed areas - that many, many more people are going to die.

That doesn’t mean that I think Hamas should not be seen as a terrorist group. It clearly is.

I agree. When I think of the people in my life my diabetic mil, my dh who needs to take blood thinners because of a disorder, my asthmatic child, my aunt on dialysis how would any of them fair in Gaza? They may not be directly killed by Israel but I can't see how without access to meds/treatment they would make it through. It's a really sorry state of affairs and we won't know the true human cost of this conflict for a long time, quibbling over a few 1000 dead just seems in really poor taste given the very obvious levels of suffering.

“Quibbling over a few thousand dead” as you put it is not “in poor taste” in a discussion of whether most of the casualties are women and children as claimed, or males of fighting age as has now been found to be the case, according to Hamas own revised figures.

It is a war with a larger than average number of civilians killed. Not because the IDF have a special desire to kill women & children but because Hamas are embedded in the local population. Do I ever see you criticising them for doing that? No, I do not.

@Pollypaintsflowers @twiglets1

Please read

https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-names-removed-from-official-gaza-death-list-13341928

Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at US thinktank The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said there's no reason to think the errors are the result of deliberate manipulation intended to inflate the share of women and children among the dead.
"If 90% of the removed entries were men aged 18-40, that would look like manipulation," he said. "But it doesn’t look like that."

Manipulation or not, the original figures were exaggerated, and how many were Hamas combatants?

You can’t trust Hamas figures - shock.

Wait... You're telling me that an organisation which proscribes genocide in its charter... Steals food aid to resell... Eradicated women's rights...Celebrates death...Hides in hospitals...Murders political opposition...Routinely uses torture...Murders children in captivity...

Would lie?

But the {insert random LGBT group} for Palestine at my {insert university} told me that Israel are the only bad ones!

Israel are the ones hiding behind Hamas.

Why would a fighter hide amongst civilians?

BECAUSE YOU DON’T SHOOT CIVILIANS.

Israel are no better than Hamas.

You know it's a war crime to hide amongst civilians. Why is no one protesting against Hamas? (Apart from actual Gazans who are protesting against them, which 'allies' in the West are being very quiet about)

According to the UN Israel has been targeting women and girls. Israel have increasingly employed sexual, reproductive and other forms of gender-based violence against Palestinians as part of a broader effort to undermine their right to self-determination and carried out genocidal acts through the systematic destruction of sexual and reproductive healthcare facilities, according to a new report issued.

The Commission also documented cases in which women and girls of all ages, including maternity patients, were targeted - acts that constitute the crime against humanity of murder and the war crime of wilful killing.

I'll take the UNs findings over your opinion, thanks.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

Because our country already DOES NOT SUPPORT HAMAS so there’s nothing to protest. It’s also Palestinian civilians who we are watching being slaughtered and displaced every day, so this is where the urgency lies.

A war crime is still a war crime, so that's a cop out. We send billions of aid to Gaza, that's support isn't it? We are sending billions of pounds to an area whose government representatives have gone on television and stated they use civilians as human shields and martyrs, that they bear no responsibility for the safety of Gazan civilians and its up to the UN instead

Doesn't the urgency lie with encouraging Hamas to change their mind about turning down the latest ceasefire deal?

You asked why no one is protesting against Hamas. There was your answer. And I mean, why are you not protesting against Hamas?

And what is a cop out exactly?

It lies with both sides as Israel also rejected a deal that will free all the hostages in one go and end the war. Didn't you know that?

You've no idea what I protest against in real life but I'm not just a keyboard warrior

I've also seen people physically attacked at 'peace' marches for holding banners or wearing a t-shirt saying Hamas are terrorists, so those marches seem pretty supportive of Hamas imo

It's a cop out to say there's no reason to protest against Hamas when our country doesn't support them, yet we give the area they control billions of pounds in aid which is a form of support and gives us plenty of soft power, so there could be protests against Hamas' treatment of Palestinians

That wasn't the only term of the peace deal though was it

Whilst I agree with your assertion, how will they be able to continue holding Israel to goalpost changing higher standards than any other country in the world without using Hamas' present " illegitmacy" as a terrorist entity as opposed to a "proper" government status as justification as to why one should not expect better from Hamas?

I am well aware how most of them will continue with their circular thinking, but how will the few linear thinkers amongst them continue the spin if the Hamas became legitimate with Israel continuing to whoop their arse when they infringe upon her and her people?
Because right now, even though Hamas and Gazan citizens invaded Israel, mass murdered her citizens, kidnapped others and broke a ceasefire to do so and in a years long planned attack and by doing so, declared war...... according to the overt and covert Hamassians, Hamas actually did not.

It was a mere escalation of Gazan defence tactics in a "war" started by Israel in 1947.
But is now not a war , but a "genocide" since Israel means to tackle Hamas into non existence, may the casualties on both sides rest where they may.

Hamas, the" freedom fighters" will have to remain the terrorist dictators that they are in order for at least ninety percent of current anti Israel ("anti Zionist") arguments to hold (without putting one's anti Semitic cards on the table ).