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Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.

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CrunchyKnees · 10/04/2025 13:21

I mean tbh, I wouldn’t be even slightly surprised if they are successful. No wonder they tried this in the UK first.

Why haven’t these solicitors been arrested for acting on behalf of, and supporting, a proscribed terrorist organisation already? This is a crime in the UK.

Even after Hamas leaders admitted to the Oct 7th atrocities and said they’d do it again and again.

This is an actual ‘look at our cool team walking in slow motion down the street’ video from the law firm on the case:
https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/09/hamas-calls-on-the-uk-government-to-remove-it-from-list-of-banned-terrorist-groups

What is the MN consensus - Hamas are Freedom Fighters (seen this stated on here multiple occasions) or a terrorist organisation?

https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

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Arayofcalm · 14/04/2025 23:32

Another reason why it's much more useful to campaign for the IDF to be listed as a proscribed group.

No evidence given for their terrorist attacks on hospital as usual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g0yn5yv5o

A building destroyed by an Israeli air strike at al-Ahli hospital, Gaza City, northern Gaza (13 April 2025)

Conditions at Gaza hospitals 'beyond description', WHO says

The agency says it is seeing "attack after attack" and supply shortages following an Israeli strike on al-Ahli hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g0yn5yv5o

devourfeculence · 15/04/2025 07:57

eternalopt · 14/04/2025 22:12

@Madcatdudette - term has been around for years. Zionists were investigated themselves pre terrorism act and lists in the 40s

www.counterterrorism.police.uk/history/zionist-terrorism/

You didn't say zionist terrorists should be added, you said zionists should be added.

eternalopt · 15/04/2025 09:05

@devourfeculence - my bad. Zionist terrorists.

Xenia · 15/04/2025 09:49

"Can you imagine if we had them as neighbours here in the uk? "

They always seem to live near me - Sawlaha - ex Hamas man - there are articles about him behind pay walls but this one can be read
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/explosive-revelation-hamas-chief-who-ran-terror-groups-in-west-bank-got-govt-discount-to-buy-home-in-london-402918-2023-10-22

We have him a massive discount on a London council house of course at tax payer expense - we always seem to lay down the read carpet including for our enemies.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:08

Twiglets1 · 14/04/2025 06:54

“You’ve put a target on my back” – Hamas barrister attacks TV presenter

The barrister acting for terror group Hamas has accused a Talk TV presenter of putting a “target on my back” by associating him with his client.
At the same time, Franck Magennis’s set, Garden Court Chambers, has distanced itself from him.
In an interview on Talk TV, Mr Magennis responded to being asked ‘How do you sleep at night?’ by telling present Peter Cardwell what “what you’ve done is extremely dangerous and you shouldn’t have asked that question…
“You are trying to associate me with my client… I think you might be hearing from the police.”
He explained: “The low point of it on this side of the Irish Sea was Boris Johnson and Priti Patel using the phrase ‘activist lawyers’, they knew what they were doing, they were using it to stoke anti-migrant racism, and a man showed up with a knife at a law firm, calling by name for a solicitor that I know personally because they put a target on his back.
“The low point on the Irish side of the Irish Sea is Pat Finucane, of course. A British MP stood up in Parliament and said ‘He’s just like his client’. Pat Finucane represented members of the Provisional IRA, which is another proscribed organisation, and three week later was murdered in front of his family by Loyallist paramilitaries.”
In testy exchanges, Mr Magennis accused Mr Cardwell of “playing the same game – you’ve just put a target on my back”.
Mr Cardwell repeatedly asked the barrister why he had chosen to represent Hamas. Mr Magennis replied: “You’re trying to make me the story. If there are negative consequences, I’m holding you personally responsible.”
He went on to argue that “you don’t have to support a proscribed organisation to think it shouldn’t be proscribed”, adding: “It’s not about my belief. I’m a lawyer instructed to make some legal arguments, which is what I’ve done.”
Mr Magennis makes no secret of his pro-Palestinian views on social media, and his biography on the Garden Court Chambers website says: “He has expertise in legal claims connected to Palestinian emancipation from Israeli occupation.”
On the day of the 7 October attacks on Israel, he tweeted “Victory to the intifiada” and changed the photo on his X account to a bulldozer crashing through the border fence, although he has since replaced it.

www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/youve-put-a-target-on-my-back-hamas-barrister-attacks-tv-presenter

Mr Magennis makes no secret of his pro-Palestinian views on social media, and his biography on the Garden Court Chambers website says: “He has expertise in legal claims connected to Palestinian emancipation from Israeli occupation.”
On the day of the 7 October attacks on Israel, he tweeted “Victory to the intifiada” and changed the photo on his X account to a bulldozer crashing through the border fence, although he has since replaced it.

Sounds like he supports terrorists with that bold statement. Tweets in support. Clear support for terrorism. He should be investigated for that tweet at least.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:09

Xenia · 15/04/2025 09:49

"Can you imagine if we had them as neighbours here in the uk? "

They always seem to live near me - Sawlaha - ex Hamas man - there are articles about him behind pay walls but this one can be read
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/explosive-revelation-hamas-chief-who-ran-terror-groups-in-west-bank-got-govt-discount-to-buy-home-in-london-402918-2023-10-22

We have him a massive discount on a London council house of course at tax payer expense - we always seem to lay down the read carpet including for our enemies.

Strange. We welcome some in.

EasternStandard · 15/04/2025 10:12

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:08

Mr Magennis makes no secret of his pro-Palestinian views on social media, and his biography on the Garden Court Chambers website says: “He has expertise in legal claims connected to Palestinian emancipation from Israeli occupation.”
On the day of the 7 October attacks on Israel, he tweeted “Victory to the intifiada” and changed the photo on his X account to a bulldozer crashing through the border fence, although he has since replaced it.

Sounds like he supports terrorists with that bold statement. Tweets in support. Clear support for terrorism. He should be investigated for that tweet at least.

I agree. Why would he not be investigated?

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:35

EasternStandard · 15/04/2025 10:12

I agree. Why would he not be investigated?

No idea.

When people have posted support for illegal actions during the Southport riots they were correctly investigated. Some were found guilty and received sentences.

If he tweeted this clear support for a major terrorist attack, then it needs investigating. Just deleting isn't sufficient. Has it been investigated already. It reads as clear support. Did he actually tweet that?

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:41

Regulator rejects complaint against barrister who tweeted ‘victory to the intifada’ on 7 October' then added a bulldozer picture going into Israel.

How is tweeting that not clear support for Hamas? On what planet 🤔

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:42

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:41

Regulator rejects complaint against barrister who tweeted ‘victory to the intifada’ on 7 October' then added a bulldozer picture going into Israel.

How is tweeting that not clear support for Hamas? On what planet 🤔

Now this man is working pro bono to help hamas achieve their aim of getting off the proscribed terrorist list. 🤔 interesting 🤔

EasternStandard · 15/04/2025 10:48

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 10:42

Now this man is working pro bono to help hamas achieve their aim of getting off the proscribed terrorist list. 🤔 interesting 🤔

Which includes that witness statement below.

It’s incredible what happens when enabled or allowed.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 13:54

EasternStandard · 15/04/2025 10:48

Which includes that witness statement below.

It’s incredible what happens when enabled or allowed.

Crazy isn't it. A very clear terrorist attack, taking over 2 years to plan. Killing thousands and taking hostages. Triggered a conflict where thousands have died. Tweets supporting that monstrosity are vile. Yet here we have a barrister that has apparently done that, and now is working pro bono to help hamas get off the proscribed terrorist list. Where does this end. Enable them to believe this type of attack is ok? Plan and carry out another one?

The people of Israel and Gaza deserve better.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 13:59

If he was defending someone in court on a charge of terrorist offences, it would be different since everyone is allowed a defense.

However, attempting to downgrade a proscribed terrorist organisation to what exactly? Fluffy little bunnies? Resistance? I say rape, torture, murder and kidnap isn't resistance and I imagine lots of people might say the same otherwise where does this lead?

Not great for Gaza, Israel or the UK.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 15/04/2025 14:11

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Lawyers for Hamas under spotlight over bid to remove terror label
11 April 2025
Posted by Neil Rose

Ansari: Acting pro bono

A South London law firm representing Hamas has put itself at the centre of a political and social media storm after applying to have it removed from the list of proscribed organisations under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The Campaign against Anti-Semitism said it would be writing to the Solicitors Regulation Authority after an examination of solicitor Fahad Ansari’s X account showed outspoken pro-Hamas and anti-Israel comments.

Mr Ansari runs immigration firm Riverway Law and, together with barristers Frank Magennis of Garden Court Chambers and Daniel Grutters of One Pump Court, filmed themselves outside the Home Office on Wednesday about to deliver the application to deproscribe Hamas under section 4 of the 2000 Act. Home secretary Yvette Cooper has 90 days to respond.

The application places ‘Israel’ in quotation marks on the grounds that “it is a colonial term”.

In a press conference, Mr Ansari described Hamas as “an Islamic resistance movement” but he and the firm have been careful to stress that nothing being said should be seen as supporting, or expressing support, for proscribed terrorist organisations – since that is a criminal offence.

“It is not a criminal offence to support the application as long as that does not extend to supporting the organisation itself,” he said.

On X, the solicitor said the lawyers were working for free: “While we would of course prefer to have been paid for the work that we are carrying out, the current separate designation of Hamas as a sanctioned organisation means that it is a criminal offence to take any money from it or from any third party for our services, without obtaining a license from the Treasury.

“The process is long and cumbersome and in the circumstances, we did not want that to operate as an obstacle to our client securing representation that all clients are entitled to…

“Whether one acts pro bono for a client or receives payment, there is an established convention that lawyers shall not be identified with their clients or their clients’ causes as a result of discharging their functions, precisely because it endangers lawyers for carrying out their duties.

“Sadly, the British state has a long history of breaching this convention, the dark low point of which resulted in the murder of Irish lawyers like Pat Finucane and Rosemarie Nelson.”

He added that the restrictions on supporting Hamas did not mean “that, like all lawyers, I do not have my own political views”.

Mr Ansari’s X account makes little secret of those beliefs, describing what is happening in Gaza as a “holocaust” and calling Israeli society “genocidal”. He has previously mourned the deaths of Hamas leaders, calling them martyrs.

One X user posted a screenshot of what she said Riverway Law’s X account previously looked like, with a photo at the top of a banner saying ‘End Zionist control of the UK government’ and also ‘Zionism out of our courts’. The photo now is from this week’s press conference.

Shadow Lord Chancellor Robert Jenrick tweeted: “Just over a year ago Hamas killed the largest number of Jewish people since the Holocaust. They still won’t return 59 hostages. Yet a UK law firm thinks there are arguments for their ban to be lifted. Sickening. It’s no surprise this firm specialises in immigration cases.”

Conservative peer Baroness Foster replied to Riverway’s tweet about the case by saying: “You should be bloody well ashamed of yourselves.” Many other X users condemned the law firm, but equally there were plenty of voices backing it.

A spokesperson for Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “Judging by what we have uncovered from Fahad Ansari’s X account, he appears to view a bulldozer breaching the border fence between Gaza and Israel on 7th October as ‘one of the most iconic, hopeful images of our time’, hails Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin as a ‘hero’, and, referring to ‘the heroic Palestinian resistance’, expresses hope that ‘every one of their bullets hit their targets’.

“This rhetoric is stomach-churning, but it befits a lawyer who represents Hamas. It is ludicrous that someone with views like these is permitted to practise in the legal profession. We will be writing to the Solicitors Regulation Authority.”

We have approached Mr Ansari for comment on this.

The Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “As Palestinians in Gaza protest for the removal of Hamas, this deeply misconceived challenge shows the regrettable addiction of large parts of the UK Palestine movement to the terrorist organisation, Hamas…

“The firm and others assisting them in bringing this case for Hamas should be ashamed of their support for a proscribed terrorist organisation.”

Mr Magennis has also courted controversy, tweeting on the day of the 7 October attacks on Israel “Victory to the intifiada” and changing the photo on his X account to a bulldozer crashing through the border fence, although he too has since replaced it.

He continues to tweet almost exclusively about Israel, calling for it to be “dismantled”.

devourfeculence · 18/04/2025 14:38

Lulooo · 12/04/2025 09:00

Factcheck your claims- Hamas wants to eradicate ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by a Zionist state and not Jewish people.

The Hamas founding charter mentioned killing Jews. The October 7th attackers bragged about how many Jews they killed. That's one of the many reasons that supporting Hamas is illegal.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 14:44

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 08:24

I don’t think it’s funny at all; I think your comment as a response to the figures of 50,000 civilians killed by the Israeli state (figures it accepts) is absurd. It’s not humour, it’s disbelief.

It's not 50,000 civilians, Hamas includes eliminated combatents in that number aswell. You'll find the majority of victims are Hamas fighters. Hamas also include victims of their misfired rockets and those who die of natural causes in that figure aswell

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 14:47

Lulooo · 12/04/2025 09:00

Factcheck your claims- Hamas wants to eradicate ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by a Zionist state and not Jewish people.

In Hamas' original charter they stated they wanted to kill every Jew. Now in their revised version they 'only' want to wipe out the state of Israel 🙄

Snitchyorwitchy · 18/04/2025 14:52

I thought Hamas' charter is for the eradication of Jews... ? Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Hamas is amongst the worst thing that happened to Gazans. I really pity what has happened to free speech, women's rights, corruption, political plurality under Hamas. So much focus on Israel, but not much discussion of how bad Hamas has been.

There's no future for Gaza with Hamas in charge.

I saw some towns in West Bank are protesting against Hamas.

Can hope to see a situation where without Hamas there is a route to a more successful peace with Israel.

Everyone wants peace and mutual prosperity for Gazans and Israel.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 14:57

quantumbutterfly · 14/04/2025 09:58

So a theoretical timeline....
.prep. SA to start a genocide case against Israel,

declare war on Israel in a way that can't be ignored.

use social media to ramp up the rhetoric that it's genocide,

SA present their 'case' for genocide,

hamas (using their sympathisers) start a wedge case to pit UK state against UK hamas supporters. ( when they say Zionist entity eg Israel eg Jews they're carefully wording their own genocidal intent)

They were hoping 7/10 would be a call to arms for Arab nations, they were wrong. This is a call to arms for hamasniks in the UK because they're emboldened by what they've seen on our streets.
Persistent and divisive little buggers aren't they?

Don't forget the 'investment' SA received from Iran around about the time they lodged the court case

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 15:03

Arayofcalm · 14/04/2025 23:32

Another reason why it's much more useful to campaign for the IDF to be listed as a proscribed group.

No evidence given for their terrorist attacks on hospital as usual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g0yn5yv5o

Evidence

Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.
Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.
Sameoldsameoldsame · 18/04/2025 18:04

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 14:57

Don't forget the 'investment' SA received from Iran around about the time they lodged the court case

Wow, seriously, thats awful

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 19:38

I just received today's email newsletter from Ayaan Hirsi Ali and she's posted some things from Douglas Murray's new book. I don't know how anyone can consider Hamas to be anything but a terrorist organisation

Please note: some readers may find the below details distressing.
Of Major “Y”, an American who enlisted in the IDF, who was fired upon by a Hamas militant lying prone beneath an elderly woman in a wheelchair, using her as a human shield.
Of Rada — one of three Druze brothers who catered the Nova festival — who recalls watching three terrorists argue in Arabic over whether to kidnap or kill a 19-year-old girl, before another Hamas militant arrived and shot her in the head. She was still begging for her life after half her face had been blown away.
Of the women at the Nahal Oz military base, whose tendons were cut to stop them running away, and raped for impregnation by Hamas militants, before 66 were shot dead.
Of IDF soldier Nimrod, who arrived at the scene of the massacre, and stopped to cover the bare and bloodied buttocks of dead women before gunning down more than 30 Hamas militants. He said, “I saw Auschwitz before my eyes … That day I promised I would be a combat soldier for the rest of my life. I also promised myself that I would tell the story for those that cannot.” Stories like 74-year-old Bracha Levinson’s: whose murder was filmed and posted on Facebook, and whose charred remains took a month to identify...

Snitchyorwitchy · 18/04/2025 19:54

What amazes me is that people (mostly with a completely unbalanced perspective - shouting down anything suggestive of the fact that Hamas are a horror story for Gazans) trusts a known terrorist group in saying that they don't use hospitals as control centres. Despite multiple outlets within Gaza noting this. Just like they flout the statistic of 40,000 deaths with zero militants... Never any analysis or thought.

Israel are far fron angels (no one is in war - victors usually commit war crimes), what is quite obvious is that you never see anyone from Hamas in uniform... they always hide behind civilians....unless handing over hostages or staging mock Jewish children's funerals whilst handing over the toddlers they murdered (yes, they are that cruel).

But they rely on useful idiots in the West do cleanse their image as "freedom fighters"

Hamas are the worst of humanity. Gazans deserve better.