Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.

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I mean tbh, I wouldn’t be even slightly surprised if they are successful. No wonder they tried this in the UK first.

Why haven’t these solicitors been arrested for acting on behalf of, and supporting, a proscribed terrorist organisation already? This is a crime in the UK.

Even after Hamas leaders admitted to the Oct 7th atrocities and said they’d do it again and again.

This is an actual ‘look at our cool team walking in slow motion down the street’ video from the law firm on the case:
https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/09/hamas-calls-on-the-uk-government-to-remove-it-from-list-of-banned-terrorist-groups

What is the MN consensus - Hamas are Freedom Fighters (seen this stated on here multiple occasions) or a terrorist organisation?

I’m also interested in the mechanics of this. I practiced law for some time and this all reads like a first year exam question on money laundering and prohibited funds.

Anyone who wants to support Palestinian civilians should be marching for the removal of Hamas first.

Well no, the most immediate threat to their safety is the Israeli state. People march in this country to protest our government’s support of Israel (which is for geopolitical strategic reasons – not on moral grounds and not because it represents our values). Our representatives quite rightly already do not support Hamas (who are a terrorist organisation). And Israel would not suddenly leave Palestinians alone if Hamas were not there.

Ridiculous comment not rooted in any way in concern for civilians.

Agreed it's very concerning and the comments relating to how they are being funded also very apt!

My comment absolutely was rooted in concern for civilians, both Palestinian and Israeli.

I think the family of the Gazan protester who was recently tortured and murdered by Hamas might agree with me.

Israel's ground and air campaign in Gaza which resumed last week has killed more than 50,000 people, with nearly a third of the dead under 18 (Palestinian sources).

The U.N. human rights office also says the Palestinian authorities' figure is probably an undercount.

In past Gaza wars, the U.N. tally sometimes exceeded the Palestinian count.

Israel's military has also accepted in briefings that the overall Gaza casualty numbers are broadly reliable.

Official Palestinian tallies of direct deaths in the Gaza war likely undercounted the number of casualties by around 40% in the first nine months of the war as Gaza's healthcare infrastructure unravelled, according to a peer-reviewed study published in The Lancet journal in January.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-has-israels-gaza-offensive-killed-2025-01-15/

Indeed. And everyone of those pointless and tragic deaths deemed 'necessary sacrifices' in the eyes of Hamas.

Who have also publicly promised to commit the 7 October atrocities over and over, thus bringing about more 'necessary sacrifices' and carnage.

Jesus, well – you’re clearly just biased if you’re unable to accept that Israel is responsible for the killing of civilians they openly admit to.

It’s lovely that in the midst of so many deaths they find it in themselves to continue to fire missiles into Israel and find the money to launch a spurious legal claim abroad (rather than, say, feed their own citizens or think deeply about the end game of hostage negotiation, to the benefit of Palestinian prisoners). The level of multi tasking I aspire to, truly.

They are a death cult, nothing more or less.

And no, I don’t endorse the actions of the current Israeli government.

I'm really surprised that findingnibbles thinks it's funny that Hamas thinks it's own civilians are necessary sacrifices. I think it's fucking awful.

I don’t think it’s funny at all; I think your comment as a response to the figures of 50,000 civilians killed by the Israeli state (figures it accepts) is absurd. It’s not humour, it’s disbelief.

Ah, well I assumed that you thought it was funny because you hit the laugh notification. Silly me.

If you can't see that Hamas holds at least some responsibility for all those deaths of their own then I actually think you're one of the useful idiots who Hamas means this case to appeal to. You've literally proved my point.

Again – if you can’t accept or acknowledge that the Israeli state are responsible for their own open killing of 50,000 civilians then you are just biased — it’s as simple as that.

You may as well say Israel is responsible for Oct. 7th, and Hamas were not really the agents of that attack. It’s the same difference, although on a scale 50 times greater.

In terms of funding the litigation I expect they have been very careful and of course everyone can litigate in the UK - you don't have to like the views of your client (although the fact the firm appears to have removed an objectionable banner on social media for one that is not probably means they realise people will be all over their current and past postings).

I am hoping the people currently supporting Hamas abroad turn on Hamas and overthrow it but we shall see.

There is quite an interesting UK Government list of the various banned terrorist organisations at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

That list includes as to Hamas -
"Harakat al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyyah (Hamas) – Proscription extended November 2021
Hamas is a militant Islamist movement that was established in 1987, following the first Palestinian intifada. Its ideology is related to that of the Muslim Brotherhood combined with Palestinian nationalism. Its main aims are to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation, the establishment of an Islamic state under Sharia law and the destruction of Israel (although Hamas no longer demands the destruction of Israel in its Covenant). The group operates in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Hamas formally established Hamas IDQ in 1992. Hamas IDQ was proscribed by the UK in March 2001. At the time it was HM government’s assessment that there was a sufficient distinction between the so called political and military wings of Hamas, such that they should be treated as different organisations, and that only the military wing was concerned in terrorism. The government now assess that the approach of distinguishing between the various parts of Hamas is artificial. Hamas is a complex but single terrorist organisation.
Hamas commits and participates in terrorism. Hamas has used indiscriminate rocket or mortar attacks, and raids against Israeli targets. During the May 2021 conflict, over 4,000 rockets were fired indiscriminately into Israel. Civilians, including 2 Israeli children, were killed as a result. Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas, frequently use incendiary balloons to launch attacks from Gaza into southern Israel. There was a spate of incendiary balloon attacks from Gaza during June and July 2021, causing fires in communities in southern Israel that resulted in serious damage to property.
Hamas also prepares for acts of terrorism. One incident of preparatory activity is that Hamas recently launched summer camps in Gaza which focus on training groups, including minors, to fight. This is evidence of Hamas being responsible for running terrorist training camps in the region. In a press statement, Hamas described the aim of these camps as to “ignite the embers of Jihad in the liberation generation, cultivate Islamic values and prepare the expected victory army to liberate Palestine”.

Factcheck your claims- Hamas wants to eradicate ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by a Zionist state and not Jewish people.

Doesn't indiscriminate Israeli bombing of innocent people including children, women, medics, journalists and elderly fall under your definition of terrorism?

This. Totally. No wonder hamas feel enabled.

Was a laughing emoji really an appropriate response?

How exactly did massacring Jewish festival goers help them to achieve that aim?

According to the Met Police the first request for a national pro-Palestine demonstration was submitted while the October 7th attack was still underway. It’s really mind boggling.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/request-london-palestine-protest-during-october-7-attack-vfqg11qo

Indigenous people are various peoples not people from the Ottoman empire, British empire, and wherever else over thousands of years as is with most lands.

Do you also scream for the Indigenous people of Australia, New Zealand, America, Brazil, England, or are they insignificant. Good grief, the ridiculousness on here is off the scale. Indigenous peoples are Jewish Christian etc etc not just people of gaza etc

Its mind boggling but reading stuff on here explains it

As I said above (which you’ve obviously already seen) – my response was in open-mouthed disbelief at the absolute absurdity of this poster’s attempt to argue that if anyone is to blame for Israel slaughtering 50,000 innocent civilians, it is not Israel (who apparently have no agency whatsoever), but in fact Hamas.

The absolute refusal to accept any criticism of anything that Israel does is just breathtaking.

Last week they murdered 15 paramedics and openly lied, stating that they had no blue lights on, and also claiming it was a restricted zone (a status they cynically put in place 1 hour after the killing). I suppose that was Hamas’ fault as well?

I don’t support Hamas in any way, shape or form and was sickened and horrified by both the Oct 7th attacks and the open apologism that followed for Hamas in some quarters.

This doesn’t make Israel’s killing of civilians and disregard for international and humanitarian law ok.

If you'd look back through my posts and the posts of many others you'd see plenty of criticism of Israel, including mentions of the incident last week. Your argument is nonsense.

Saying you don't support Hamas but then also saying they don't hold any responsibility for what has happened to Gaza is also nonsense. They are not children. They knew what they were doing.

They knowingly provoked this war which they knew would cause many, many deaths. They welcomed it because it could then be streamed on social media to incite more hatred of Israel, from people exactly like you. They've been successful. You don't believe Hamas are responsible for the consequences of what they did on 7 October.

And Gazan civilians are caught in the middle, exactly as Hamas intended. As cannon fodder.