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Hamas legal bid to be REMOVED from list of proscribed terrorist organisation.

203 replies

CrunchyKnees · 10/04/2025 13:21

I mean tbh, I wouldn’t be even slightly surprised if they are successful. No wonder they tried this in the UK first.

Why haven’t these solicitors been arrested for acting on behalf of, and supporting, a proscribed terrorist organisation already? This is a crime in the UK.

Even after Hamas leaders admitted to the Oct 7th atrocities and said they’d do it again and again.

This is an actual ‘look at our cool team walking in slow motion down the street’ video from the law firm on the case:
https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/09/hamas-calls-on-the-uk-government-to-remove-it-from-list-of-banned-terrorist-groups

What is the MN consensus - Hamas are Freedom Fighters (seen this stated on here multiple occasions) or a terrorist organisation?

https://x.com/riverwaylaw/status/1909951298885001553

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findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 10:08

dairydebris · 12/04/2025 09:46

If you'd look back through my posts and the posts of many others you'd see plenty of criticism of Israel, including mentions of the incident last week. Your argument is nonsense.

Saying you don't support Hamas but then also saying they don't hold any responsibility for what has happened to Gaza is also nonsense. They are not children. They knew what they were doing.

They knowingly provoked this war which they knew would cause many, many deaths. They welcomed it because it could then be streamed on social media to incite more hatred of Israel, from people exactly like you. They've been successful. You don't believe Hamas are responsible for the consequences of what they did on 7 October.

And Gazan civilians are caught in the middle, exactly as Hamas intended. As cannon fodder.

But I didn’t say Hamas don’t hold any responsibility – did I?

I simply said Israel do bear responsibility for their decision to slaughter 50,000 civilians. You refuse to accept that Israel has any responsibility for the action they take.

It is not an inevitable course of action, it is a choice. And these actions have been enacted with utter unrepentant glee.

You have every opportunity to criticise Israel right now. I’m responding to the comments you are making right now. How you choose to represent yourself here and now is your own responsibility.

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 10:33

@dairydebris I don’t really care if you accept that the Israeli government bears responsibility for their actions to be honest. You’re simply biased and nothing will change your stance.

The reason this atrocity continues is not because of a handful of people who think this is ok.

It’s because Israel is strategically important for the US in geopolitical terms and so in turn for the UK. Politicians don’t refuse to criticise what is going on because it reflects their personal views. They do so out of political expediency.

The overwhelming majority of people are horrified by what is happening to Palestinians. We can see with our own eyes. Not for want of the propaganda machine trying. Not as easy in an age where images and videos (and UN reports) can be shared with the world.

The only lever you can pull is putting domestic pressure on the government to represent their own citizens.

You demonstrate very well with your bizarre logic the absurdity of trying to justify wanton Israeli killing of civilians. It’s not these ridiculous arguments that are enabling the killing to continue. It’s nation state self-interest.

Xenia · 12/04/2025 10:52

I doubt the legal application will succeed (thankfully ) but the general issue of when the UK or anyone as a nation should be friends with someone who is not exactly as they want such as Saudi Arabia is never easy. Sometimes we have to negotiate with regimes we detest who are very much against our own rights and principles.

I am not happy that in Syria the situation is so complicated that some groups that are pretty awful are now in a sense on our side or we on theirs after the fall of the awful Assad regime.

devourfeculence · 12/04/2025 11:00

Kingfishersperch · 12/04/2025 07:18

I hope they fail. I also hope this leads to the arrest of terrorist supporters.

Are the solicitors being funded by the proceeds of terrorism?
Or is another country funding them?
Or are terrorist supporters in the U.K. funding them?
Or are they choosing to do the work for free as they support terrorism?

This country needs to sort itself out and quickly. If it doesn’t I wonder what the country will be like in 5/10/15 years.

https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/lawyers-for-hamas-under-spotlight-over-bid-to-remove-terror-label

Apparently it's pro bono. And they deny that they support Hamas, despite the solicitor posting a lot of pro-Hamas content on his Twitter. Which I thought was supposed to be illegal but oh well.

Lawyers for Hamas under spotlight over bid to remove terror label

A South London law firm representing Hamas has put itself at the centre of a political and social media storm after applying to have it removed from the list of proscribed organisations.

https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/lawyers-for-hamas-under-spotlight-over-bid-to-remove-terror-label

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 12:21

dairydebris · 12/04/2025 06:07

Anyone who wants to support Palestinian civilians should be marching for the removal of Hamas first.

Mumsnet is full of toothless platitudes about ' I condemn Hamas' followed swiftly by ' But it didn't happen in a vacuum did it?'

"They were naughty but I can understand why' is enough for Hamas. They wanted more hatred of Israel and they are certainly getting what they want in this country.

Shameful for us.

“Anyone who wants to support Palestinian civilians should be marching for the removal of Hamas first.“
I agree - although I’d more happily support a march that condemned both Israeli settler violence AND Hamas.

quantumbutterfly · 12/04/2025 12:21

Lulooo · 12/04/2025 09:00

Factcheck your claims- Hamas wants to eradicate ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by a Zionist state and not Jewish people.

you sound...supportive.

Arayofcalm · 12/04/2025 12:46

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 12:21

“Anyone who wants to support Palestinian civilians should be marching for the removal of Hamas first.“
I agree - although I’d more happily support a march that condemned both Israeli settler violence AND Hamas.

Israeli settler violence only? Where does that leave the thousands of children who were killed by the Israeli government- the IDF?

Twiglets1 · 12/04/2025 13:16

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 09:31

As I said above (which you’ve obviously already seen) – my response was in open-mouthed disbelief at the absolute absurdity of this poster’s attempt to argue that if anyone is to blame for Israel slaughtering 50,000 innocent civilians, it is not Israel (who apparently have no agency whatsoever), but in fact Hamas.

The absolute refusal to accept any criticism of anything that Israel does is just breathtaking.

Last week they murdered 15 paramedics and openly lied, stating that they had no blue lights on, and also claiming it was a restricted zone (a status they cynically put in place 1 hour after the killing). I suppose that was Hamas’ fault as well?

I don’t support Hamas in any way, shape or form and was sickened and horrified by both the Oct 7th attacks and the open apologism that followed for Hamas in some quarters.

This doesn’t make Israel’s killing of civilians and disregard for international and humanitarian law ok.

Disbelief is a different reaction to laughter so I’m still baffled as to why you thought the laughter emoji was an appropriate response.

Most pro Israel people on here will criticise certain things the IDF have done or are doing. But as to who is responsible for starting this war - it’s Hamas.

Please just argue your case respectfully and without laughing emojis. Completely inappropriate when discussing war.

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 13:59

Twiglets1 · 12/04/2025 13:16

Disbelief is a different reaction to laughter so I’m still baffled as to why you thought the laughter emoji was an appropriate response.

Most pro Israel people on here will criticise certain things the IDF have done or are doing. But as to who is responsible for starting this war - it’s Hamas.

Please just argue your case respectfully and without laughing emojis. Completely inappropriate when discussing war.

I’ll use whatever emojis I want thanks! Accept my explanation or don’t, it’s up to you. I’m sure if you agreed with the substance of my points you wouldn’t be nitpicking over the emoji, which has already been fully covered.

Twiglets1 · 12/04/2025 14:05

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 13:59

I’ll use whatever emojis I want thanks! Accept my explanation or don’t, it’s up to you. I’m sure if you agreed with the substance of my points you wouldn’t be nitpicking over the emoji, which has already been fully covered.

Ok carry on acting childish with your laughing emojis 🤷🏼‍♀️

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 14:06

Twiglets1 · 12/04/2025 14:05

Ok carry on acting childish with your laughing emojis 🤷🏼‍♀️

You’re determined to misunderstand the intent – that’s on you

EasternStandard · 12/04/2025 14:08

quantumbutterfly · 12/04/2025 12:21

you sound...supportive.

SM would be flooded with support if the law changed.

One thing the UK does well is have a proscribed terrorist list and put laws around that.

Madcatdudette · 12/04/2025 15:28

Here we go. This is about a UK law firm wanting something that’s really disturbing.
Doesn’t make any difference to the current conflict.
I really think religion should not mix with politics ever. Don’t care what religion, it shouldn’t be used as a political platform in any government.
Any law firm or political person should not bring in religious views to UK law.
We do not serve Israel or Palestine.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 12/04/2025 16:28

Madcatdudette · 12/04/2025 15:28

Here we go. This is about a UK law firm wanting something that’s really disturbing.
Doesn’t make any difference to the current conflict.
I really think religion should not mix with politics ever. Don’t care what religion, it shouldn’t be used as a political platform in any government.
Any law firm or political person should not bring in religious views to UK law.
We do not serve Israel or Palestine.

Nailed it.

A UK law firm trying to get a terrorist group off the proscribed terrorist list. Bizarre and quite sick. I thought support for terrorism was illegal in the UK unless shouting for hamas eh.

Kingfishersperch · 12/04/2025 17:05

devourfeculence · 12/04/2025 11:00

https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/lawyers-for-hamas-under-spotlight-over-bid-to-remove-terror-label

Apparently it's pro bono. And they deny that they support Hamas, despite the solicitor posting a lot of pro-Hamas content on his Twitter. Which I thought was supposed to be illegal but oh well.

Yes I have seen his Twitter account. I thought supporting a terrorist organisation was illegal.

Also isn’t pro bono work classed as supporting?

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 18:10

Arayofcalm · 12/04/2025 12:46

Israeli settler violence only? Where does that leave the thousands of children who were killed by the Israeli government- the IDF?

Anyone who wants a better life for Palestinians should be anti Hamas. The pro Palestinian marchers should have openly condemned Hamas on the marches ( in addition to their criticism of Israel ) . Unfortunately they didn’t do that . Instead they threatened protesters who did condemn Hamas.

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 18:35

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 18:10

Anyone who wants a better life for Palestinians should be anti Hamas. The pro Palestinian marchers should have openly condemned Hamas on the marches ( in addition to their criticism of Israel ) . Unfortunately they didn’t do that . Instead they threatened protesters who did condemn Hamas.

Unfortunately they some of them didn’t do that . Instead they some of them threatened protesters who did condemn Hamas.

Fixed that for you

Since you haven’t specified any particular protest, I’m assuming you’re talking about UK protests in support of Palestinian citizens generally (which have seen hundreds of thousands of British people take to the streets in the last 2 years).

Claiming that every British person who stands in solidarity with innocent Palestinian citizens is also pro-Hamas is total crap.

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 19:52

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 18:35

Unfortunately they some of them didn’t do that . Instead they some of them threatened protesters who did condemn Hamas.

Fixed that for you

Since you haven’t specified any particular protest, I’m assuming you’re talking about UK protests in support of Palestinian citizens generally (which have seen hundreds of thousands of British people take to the streets in the last 2 years).

Claiming that every British person who stands in solidarity with innocent Palestinian citizens is also pro-Hamas is total crap.

Hmm ..
I can only speak about what I’ve seen/ heard/ read.
I didn’t see any protesters in London who openly condemned Hamas. ( and I have personally seen evidence of protesters who appear to support Hamas … defacing hostage posters / insulting Iranian anti Hamas protesters in Trafalgar Square etc)
I didn’t hear about any evidence that protesters were publicly and openly condemning Hamas from posters on here or on social media.
I didn’t read that pro Palestinian protesters were openly condemning Hamas in the media

I’m afraid I can’t take you seriously as you’ve just told me I’m talking crap without providing me with any evidence.

Sorkh · 12/04/2025 19:59

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 19:52

Hmm ..
I can only speak about what I’ve seen/ heard/ read.
I didn’t see any protesters in London who openly condemned Hamas. ( and I have personally seen evidence of protesters who appear to support Hamas … defacing hostage posters / insulting Iranian anti Hamas protesters in Trafalgar Square etc)
I didn’t hear about any evidence that protesters were publicly and openly condemning Hamas from posters on here or on social media.
I didn’t read that pro Palestinian protesters were openly condemning Hamas in the media

I’m afraid I can’t take you seriously as you’ve just told me I’m talking crap without providing me with any evidence.

I have seen the London marches, they're full of masked protesters ( some with Hamas colours/masks) and horrible signs which are definitely anti-semitic. I don't know why they are allowed, they're matching for hate, not peace.

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 20:04

findingnibbles · 12/04/2025 18:35

Unfortunately they some of them didn’t do that . Instead they some of them threatened protesters who did condemn Hamas.

Fixed that for you

Since you haven’t specified any particular protest, I’m assuming you’re talking about UK protests in support of Palestinian citizens generally (which have seen hundreds of thousands of British people take to the streets in the last 2 years).

Claiming that every British person who stands in solidarity with innocent Palestinian citizens is also pro-Hamas is total crap.

I would also add that, as most of my friends are left wing, I’ve discovered for myself how difficult it is to condemn Hamas …
What has shocked me most has been the reaction after October 7
Where was the concern for the Bibas family from the marchers?

I am more than willing to concede that Israel’s government has serious questions to answer. But I no longer have any doubt that anti semitism is alive and well in UK and Ireland and across Europe and that horrifies me .

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/04/2025 20:05

Sorkh · 12/04/2025 19:59

I have seen the London marches, they're full of masked protesters ( some with Hamas colours/masks) and horrible signs which are definitely anti-semitic. I don't know why they are allowed, they're matching for hate, not peace.

Yes - absolutely

EasternStandard · 12/04/2025 20:13

Sameoldsameoldsame · 12/04/2025 16:28

Nailed it.

A UK law firm trying to get a terrorist group off the proscribed terrorist list. Bizarre and quite sick. I thought support for terrorism was illegal in the UK unless shouting for hamas eh.

It’s meant to be. It’s concerning this is happening

Sameoldsameoldsame · 12/04/2025 20:46

Sorkh · 12/04/2025 19:59

I have seen the London marches, they're full of masked protesters ( some with Hamas colours/masks) and horrible signs which are definitely anti-semitic. I don't know why they are allowed, they're matching for hate, not peace.

I've amended this too. Sadly, it's clear some are not anti hamas and pro hamas. The anti semitism from some other protesters is also clear.

Mylegishangingoff · 12/04/2025 20:52

This whole thread is just a ridiculous excuse for a rant demonising people who believe in Palestinians right to exist. Not a single one of you actually thinks that a government who have repeatedly refused to condemn Israels actions, refuse to sanction Israel for breaking international law and are actively helping Israel will take Hamas off the proscribed terrorist list.

There's more outrage shown about things that will never happen or things that haven't been said or done than there is about things that are actually happening.

devourfeculence · 12/04/2025 21:11

Mylegishangingoff · 12/04/2025 20:52

This whole thread is just a ridiculous excuse for a rant demonising people who believe in Palestinians right to exist. Not a single one of you actually thinks that a government who have repeatedly refused to condemn Israels actions, refuse to sanction Israel for breaking international law and are actively helping Israel will take Hamas off the proscribed terrorist list.

There's more outrage shown about things that will never happen or things that haven't been said or done than there is about things that are actually happening.

This thread is to talk about a legal challenge to the UK government prescribing Hamas as a terrorist organisation. If you dont want to talk about that, why click on the thread?

There's more outrage shown about things that will never happen or things that haven't been said or done than there is about things that are actually happening.

This legal challenge is actually happening. If you are referring to things that are actually happening in Gaza, there are hundreds of threads expressing outrage at that.