This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

I agree with him. I also stand with the people of Gaza, the ones who are trying to bring about peace by exposing what Hamas are doing in hospitals, exposing how they have been stealing aid and selling it on the black market and the thousands going on marches calling for Hamas to get out of Gaza, exposing how they kill anyone who stands up to them.

Standing with Gaza if it means standing by Hamas is going to bring about freedom and dignity for Palestinians. Not while Hamas are refusing to hold elections and have promised to commit more October 7th style massacres which is only going to cause more wars and bloodshed for Palestinians.

If people really cared about Palestinians they would be protesting for long term peace for them, not ignoring or whitewashing what their genocidal government is doing to them. It's not even like Hamas are hiding it, their leaders have gone on television and said that they use civilians as human shields and they're martyrs for the cause, and that it isn't their responsibility to keep Palestinians safe, that it's down to the UN instead. Talk about a government shirking its duties! Palestinians deserve so much better than what they have.

From a Palestinian who advocates for peace:

"Israeli police have been treating Christian worshipers horrendously on Easter for no reason. Extreme, violent, Kahanist behavior that's uncalled for & highly destructive and insidious. This is what happens when fascists like Ben Gvir become National Security Ministers. Shame!"

That's today's post by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib. I have also been sharing his posts, do you also agree with him when he says

'I’ve been communicating with some of the organizers of the anti-Hamas protests in the Gaza Strip and just got off the phone with one of them. They’ve been relaying a sense of utter betrayal by the international human rights community, “pro-Palestine” activists, international and Arab journalists, Western analysts, and all who spent a year and a half screaming as if they really care about Gazans. But they’re undeterred; in fact, they’re relying on each other and other Gazans who made it out to safety to promote their actions and get their message to the outside world.
I’m calling on all of my followers: prepare to amplify anti-Hamas, pro-peace Palestinian voices in Gaza, who are not beneficiaries of the “pro-Palestine” industrial complex that only cares about dead Gazans or strictly anti-Israel narratives. Let there be no mistake: Hamas is severely weakened and cannot entirely suppress a massive awakening of all Gazans rising up against its rule; anti-Hamas protests can and WILL become a regular occurrence; the “pro-Palestine” narrative must accommodate Gazans who are done being ruled by fascist terrorists who are a miniaturized version of ISIS and should consider updating their talking points to distance the just and urgent Palestinian aspirations for freedom and dignity away from Hamas’s terror, violence, antisemitism, and hate.
Despite the immense challenges ahead, Gaza’s future belongs to a rejuvenated and revitalized population that focuses on nation-building and coexistence, not radicalism and “resistance.”'

Why are you repeating the same things over and over again? It's starting to come across as quite erratic.

@Whatsinanamehey he's also been vociferously calling out Hamas' actions as have I. If you only pay attention to him when he is criticising Israel then you're just weaponising him, you don't actually care what he says and the peace he's trying to bring about

He also called out Hamas for how they rule Gaza

'In addition to hiding in schools & using civilians as human shields, Hamas entered a school full of displaced Gazans in the north & brutally murdered a man who defended his nephew from being kidnapped to blackmail the kid's father. Hamas is a fascist terrorist group of criminals.'

'Hamas rejected a ceasefire proposal that could have led to the end of the war because it didn't want to give up its weapons, which now exist exclusively to terrorize Palestinians in Gaza & maintain an indefinite iron grip on power. Hamas has spoken: Let all of Gaza be destroyed.'

'Al Amal Hospital in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, where some of my injured family members were treated from IDF bombardment last year, has shut down today after staff stopped working and locked the facility down. Want to know why? Because the medical personnel were protesting against Hamas members taking over the Surgery Ward/Division and hiding there to protect themselves, endangering the entire facility.
The staff made the courageous decision, despite the immense need for medical surgeries, to stop operating the hospital and protect the facility, their patients, and their lives, to send a clear signal to Hamas and other terrorists: You have no place in a hospital, and you’re not welcome here. This heroic action is yet another step that’s part of a growing trend of small but growing local resistance to Hamas’s fascism and terrorism, which Palestinians in Gaza hold responsible for their complete annihilation in a useless war meant to prolong the rule of an Iranian militia in the coastal enclave.
This has happened time and again in medical facilities across Gaza, something that is illegal and immoral. And while I don’t want Israeli bombardment and targeting of hospitals anywhere in Gaza, international humanitarian law clearly states that the misuse of a hospital/medical facility to gain a military advantage or to shield military objectives from attack removes the protection for hospitals under IHL. In other words, Hamas’s thuggery, criminality, and terrorism give the Israeli government the excuse to target medical establishments in Gaza, something that, in turn, worsens the suffering of the civilian population in the coastal enclave.
Remember this whenever you hear or see people chanting for the “resistance.” Remember this when you see headlines that absolve the terror group of any responsibility for the systematic destruction of Palestinian lives and hope under the pretense of “fighting the occupation.”'

'New mass anti-Hamas, pro-peace demonstrations in northern Gaza! In the first clip, the protesters chant, “Yes to love, no to terrorism, yes to peace.” In the second, they chant, “Out out out, Hamas get out.” In the third, they say, “Deliver the message, Hamas is all garbage.” Support these courageous and brave Gazan voices if you really care about the Palestinian people.'

Only if the truth is uncomfortable

Me weaponising? Pot... kettle.. black..

@PollyPaintsFlowers
If people really cared about Palestinians they would be protesting for long term peace for them, not ignoring or whitewashing what their genocidal government is doing to them.

That is what we have been doing since November 2023. Why are you alleging that peace protesters were ever supportive of Hamas? Just like the proIsrael protesters have had a handful of islamaphobic violent people in their midst, there have been a handful of antisemitic violent people sneaking in amongst Pro-Palestine peace protesters. As a whole, we have done our best to call out and make these types known to the police.

I’m calling on all of my followers: prepare to amplify anti-Hamas, pro-peace Palestinian voices in Gaza, who are not beneficiaries of the “pro-Palestine” industrial complex that only cares about dead Gazans or strictly anti-Israel narratives.

It’s so insulting to imply that pro-Palestine protesters were not pro-peace and anti-Hamas from the beginning. You’re 18months behind and seriously deluded to excuse your complicity by alleging that everyone calling for peace until now has been pro-Hamas.

Saying pro-Palestine peace protesters “only care about dead Gazans” or “anti-Israel narratives and it’s an “industrial complex” is fantastical.

It isn’t anti-Israel to point out that it is Israeli bombs, bullets and complete siege on all the necessities for life that has killed over 50,000 Palestinians and kills a child every hour. This is a fact no less than the fact that Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis including 14 children.

The only “industrial complex” in this conflict are the arms manufacturers and dealers from the US selling weapons to Israel. They are putting profit over lives by supporting the far right, ultranationalist Israeli government,

Of course Gazans feel betrayed by the international community. This is because despite the public clamouring for not arming Israel and pushing for peace, our government has done nothing but make weak, whingy comments while abstaining from voting for peace on the UNSC.

Gazans don’t feel betrayed by Pro-Palestinians protesters who have been calling for a permanent ceasefire and peace in the region. Part of this has always included calling for a Palestinian State to be ruled by Palestinians (not Hamas). You cannot free them from Hamas by mass killing civilians every day until Hamas gives up because, as you pointed out, Hamas are a mini-ISIS are happy to let Palestinians get killed. They won’t give in. It is a fight until they are all martyred situation.

The only way was the ceasefire that Israel unilaterally broke. All the living hostages would most probably have been home weeks ago and hundreds of Palestinian kids would still have a future if Israel hadn’t chosen to continue the killing. The Palestinians deserved that chance.

See, this is just the whitewashing I was talking about. It's not just a few people in the hate marches that are fanatics, it's the leaders with their loudspeakers and all the people following their chants of 'from the river to the sea' which is directly lifted out of Hamas' charter of wiping out Israel. They specifically talk about Palestine being from the river to the sea, which is exactly where Israel is.

The organiser of yesterday's hate march in Sussex, that was deliberately timed and located to intimidate and harass Jews returning home from Saturday prayers, it went straight past five Synagogues, has posted images on social media blaming Jews for 9/11. Don't tell me it's care for Palestinians and not antisemitism that is motivating the organisers.

Why aren't there any people in the hate marches holding placards calling out Hamas for making targets out of innocent Palestinian civilians? Not heard any hate marcher condemning Hamas for the harm they have brought and still bring to Palestinians and their deliberate wrecking of any long term peace. They don't want two states, they are willing to fight till they're all martyred in destroying Israel. Listen to what they actually say.

In Leeds one of the hate marchers was found guilty in court of hate crimes towards Jews and Leeds PSC rewarded him by making him a steward at the marches. How is that the organisers doing their best to call out any hateful elements?

Serena Fenton, another person who was found guilty in court of aggravated hate crimes towards Jews is still very much in attendance at hate marches with her loudspeaker. In fact, if you watch any videos by News Now Yorkshire you'll see she's warmly welcomed.

There was a video of a hate marcher using a loud speaker saying Israel is a whore, all Jews are whores, in Arabic right behind a policeman, no one made him known to the officer who was literally right in front of him

Out of those 50,000 how many were Hamas combatants? I have asked that a few times but no one has been able to answer, maybe you can?

'Gazans don’t feel betrayed by Pro-Palestinians protesters who have been calling for a permanent ceasefire and peace in the region. Part of this has always included calling for a Palestinian State to be ruled by Palestinians (not Hamas). You cannot free them from Hamas by mass killing civilians every day until Hamas gives up because, as you pointed out, Hamas are a mini-ISIS are happy to let Palestinians get killed. They won’t give in. It is a fight until they are all martyred situation.'

I didn't say this, Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Palestinian from Gaza, did. Is he wrong?

The Palestinians (and Israelis) deserved for October 7th and this war never to have happened. Think how many people then would have had a future.

It is just a few people. Most people in polls across the world believe Israel have gone too far. Millions and millions of people believe Israel should stop what they are doing and give Palestinians self determination. You are talking about 1 protest in Sussex. Most of those millions and millions of people don't even know where Sussex is, I don't other than it's in England somewhere. In the scale of the pro ceasefire population you are talking about very few people.

Just like it is a few pro Israel people in the grand scheme of everything who have shot at people because they think they are Palestinian or laughed and mocked dead Palestinian children or who have written slogans on bombs heading off to kill children.

It's not just one protest, I gave a few examples and there are many, many more. How many would you like?

It doesn't matter what other people think, they're not the ones fighting a terrorist organisation next door who's committed to wiping them out. Stopping while Hamas are still in power is just kicking the can down the road. They've promised to commit more October 7th massacres. You might not care about Israeli lives, but I assume you care about the innocent Palestinian lives that will be lost in future wars that Hamas cause

That's why I actually do stand with Palestinians and I'm in full support of the brave Palestinians who are risking their lives calling for peace and for Hamas to go

@Mylegishangingoff oh and 'millions and millions of people' have not been polled, that's just hyperbole

It doesn't matter what other people think, they're not the ones fighting a terrorist organisation next door who's committed to wiping them out.

@PollyPaintsFlowers cool then why are you here posting endlessly? Who cares what you think.

You still won't be able to show that it is more than a few people out of yes, the millions of people who are pro ceasefire and pro self determination for all. There are some seriously vile pro Israel yobs out there like the sex offender in the white house who is pro ethnic cleansing but most people are smart enough to realise that he doesn't represent everyone. If people who are pro Israel can't use their brains and realise that some people in Sussex(?!) don't represent everyone then that says more about them than anything else.

They are not “hate marches” and “from the river to the sea” is borrowed from the Likud charter which calls for every citizen to be free and have human rights.

You’ve described 3 antisemitic agitators out of millions of peace protesters. That’s not enough to make all marches into hate marches.

Out of those 50,000 how many were Hamas combatants? I have asked that a few times but no one has been able to answer, maybe you can?

The IDF who are doing the killing aren't answering this because they are not distinguishing between do t combatant and civilian. The international doctors there are answering this and d they are saying hardly any of the casualties are combatants. They are saying around 70% are women and children.

Yes, no one deserved Oct 7th or the last 18months of Oct 7th Groundhog Days.
But the way we end it isn’t pretending no one thought to protest for peace until now, until YOU have “called upon my followers”. Millions of us have been protesting for peace for 17 months. We are happy for you to join us, but I’m not happy for you to take this superior tone and accuse those who broke the ground for you of being a bunch of proHamas hate marchers.

As was predicted a year ago, one day everyone will have always been against the hell being visited on Gaza.

It's nothing to do with the IDF, Hamas know who their combatants are, why don't they release those figures? Why do they describe everyone as civilians?

When I see hate marchers holding placards condemning Hamas for the evil they're committing upon innocent Palestinians I'll gladly join you

As for the river to the sea being lifted from Likud, why aren't there any banners or chants for two states? Why only for one state? Which happens to be exactly what Hamas is calling for when they state from the river to the sea in their charter. How coincidental.

Stop with the gaslighting

Probably because Israel did the same with the Oct 7th casualty list?

Their current charter recognises the 1967 borders between two states.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaiceand your figures are out of date. Those 'doctors' you mentioned were wrong

dHamas drops thousands of deaths from casualty figures

They don’t. Their figures do not distinguish between the two.

No it doesn't. It explicitly states they don't recognise the 'Zionist entity'

No, the number of dead has not decreased, this report is just referring to the fact that some bodies were initially misidentified and so they had to correct the identity (names) for some of the bodies, which is 100% unsurprising as it happens in every war and every mass casualty event.

Exactly. Hamas class all casualties as civilians. Except they're not, most of them are combatants, but it suits their propaganda and manipulation to say 50,000 were killed

ahem

“Hamas’s new March 2025 fatality list quietly drops 3,400 fully “identified” deaths listed in its August and October 2024 reports – including 1,080 children. These “deaths” never happened. The numbers were falsified – again,” Mr Aizenberg wrote.

The “Zionist entity” isn’t all of Israel. Explain then, how a charter calling for the 1967 borders between two states of Israel and Palestine is calling for one state?