Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

[cindyhove]

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

Tasteless of you to bring up the hostages killed in error.

All that awful incident goes to show is how difficult and chaotic the theatre of war is.

Lots of posters on here have no idea of the utter hell that war always is.

You've implied the IDF killed those hostages out of sheer brutality. I think you should be ashamed.

Actually Thatchers’ downfall was as a direct result of her support for the community charge or ‘poll tax’. She alienated conservative voters and many in her own cabinet. It was the main reason she lost support when her leadership was challenged. The civil disobedience sparked by the introduction of the charge is widely held up as an example of the people effecting change, so you’re in a bit of a minority there.

And the government didn’t really ‘get their own way’ because the poll tax was eventually replaced with council tax, which is based on property valuations and very similar to the way the old rates system worked before the attempted introduction of the poll tax.

How do you kill hostages who are in the act of surrendering ‘in error’ ?

Are you seriously suggesting the hostages were killed on purpose?

I don't know how, I can't picture it, because i have never been at war. I've never been in a shoot or be shot situation luckily. Have you?

They shot three naked men waving a white flag. That's a hell of an error! Multiple shots, from multiple people, on clearly unarmed individuals. How dare you claim they were not deliberately murdered.

Are you actually for real? You think members of the IDF deliberately murdered Israeli hostages?

No, of course not. I think they thought they were murdering Palestinian civilians. They error is that they were actually hostages.

So pretty hard to tell who's Israeli, who's Palestinian, who's Hamas when soldiers aren't in uniform then no?

Like you admit, an error. Errors happen a lot in war.

It would have been better if this war had never been started I guess.

So pretty hard to tell who's Israeli, who's Palestinian, who's Hamas when soldiers aren't in uniform then no?

When they are naked and waving a white flag, it's not an error. It's actually disgusting how you are twisting everything to avoid making the IDF the bad guys here

Right! Jo public in the UK are thugs. 🤣
What have they done by the way to become thugs - Jo public - as I’m struggling to understand your train of thought here.

I think the point here are concerns about the way the IDF are engaging in the war- shoot first and question later, cover your tracks when mistakes are made. This is made worse by the dehumanisation of Palestinians. Their lives are expendable.

Nobody thinks that.

Many people think that the IDF soldiers didn’t realise they were hostages, thought they were Palestinians and (despite them being naked and waving white flags) shot them dead.

Even the IDF said it was against the rules of engagement:

The head of the IDF told troops that they are "absolutely not" permitted to shoot those surrendering.
"The IDF doesn't shoot a person who raises their hands," said Herzi Halevi.
He said Gazans with a white flag must be arrested and not shot "if they lay down their arms and raise their hands".

Except the IDF does shoot people who raise their hands. They don’t deny doing so in this case, do they?

I cannot imagine the terror they felt thinking they were being rescued and then realising they had been mistaken for ‘the other side’, temporarily thinking perhaps they could save their lives by holding their hands up regardless, then realising they were still being shot at. It’s unthinkable and one occasion where I am shocked and appalled someone can’t say ‘in this case, the IDF’s behaviour was entirely wrong.’

Especially when it’s against their own rules of engagement.

If the hostages were Palestinian civilians instead of hostages nobody would even have known. If footage of their shooting was revealed the IDF would then say they were Hamas/had links to Hamas and anyone questioning it would have been told they are anti-semitic/hate Israel etc etc

You haven't answered anyone else who has asked but I will ask you again. Why do you think they crushed and buried life saving vehicles with the aid workers that they killed? What was the purpose of destroying vehicles that could be used to save Palestinian lives?

I think they were shirtless rather than naked. Of course they shouldn't have even been in Gaza, they should have been at home in the kibbutzim they were taken from, with their (now mostly dead) neighbours, in their (now mostly destroyed) homes...

Exactly. The point is even if they were Hamas, unarmed people surrendering should not be shot. Whatever way you look at the situation it's a clear indication that Israel are trigger happy, shoot first ask questions later. Their own whistle blowers have said this. Yet people still nod along and agree that it was a 'mistake'. The 'mistakes' we hear about like killing international aid workers, killing hostages we only hear about because they aren't Palestinian and Israel are forced to say something.

The killing one by one of 15 aid workers, first they lied about timings and lights. They only changed their story because they were forced to. Then they say Hamas, provide no evidence and know that the nodders will nod and the world that supposedly hates poor them will continue like nothing has happened and keep supplying arms, keep trading with them. There are no consequences for breaking International law and Israel knows it.

And just to add to my post about how not abiding by International law makes us all less safe the shooting of the hostages was a prime example of that. If they had have gone in to arrest the unarmed 'terrorists' instead of shooting them then they would have realised their 'mistake'. This is why it's so important that instead of being appalled that people point out that Israel are breaking international law and making excused for them that people hold them to account. It makes everybody safer.

Three half naked men, unarmed and waving a white flag. And you can’t picture it ? Even after the Israeli military admitted it was against the rules of engagement?

Might be hard to tell who’s who when they’re not in uniform. But unarmed, half naked and waving a white flag is unequivocally an indication of surrender. So it’s not warfare, or ‘error’ it’s murder.

So that they couldn’t be used to save Palestinian lives.

No. They thought they were murdering Palestinians.

It doesn’t indicate that “Israel are trigger happy”. It indicates that certain members of the IDF are trigger happy and going against the rules of engagement set by the IDF.

Yes, it’s terrible - those individuals should be punished and hopefully will be.

But you shouldn’t be implying that the actions of a few rogue soldiers represent “Israel” - they don’t.

In the same way that if a few Palestinians behave disgracefully that doesn’t mean that “Palestine” is rotten.

In the same way that if a few Palestinians behave disgracefully that doesn’t mean that “Palestine” is rotten.

Try telling Cindyhove that.

As reported in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: The force that fired at the emergency team belongs to the Golani Brigade, but was operating under the command of a reserve brigade. A few days ago, a video was aired showing a battalion commander talking to his soldiers on the eve of their return to the enclave.

"Anyone you encounter there is an enemy. You identify anyone, you eliminate him," he tells his soldiers. His words reflect rules of engagement that are broad and permissive.

Those soldiers quite literally represent Israel when they put on the uniform do they not? The IDF are trigger happy then, is that better for you? There have been numerous occasions where this has happened, one was on ITV news, Israel accused them of altering the footage. Another is the blowing up of an international aid convoy. Another is killing 15 aid workers. Another is killing a 6 year old child who was alone in a car for hours and hours with her dead family. There are more that whistle blowers have spoken off.

Your stance of they should be punished is different from the posters who accept and agree that it was a 'mistake' that unarmed men were shot and killed. You don't punish people for 'mistakes'. Those posters don't agree that International law was broken and that these killers should be punished. They think that it is 'tasteless' to highlight International law being broken. They think that highlighting these abuses is 'anti Israel'. It's the whole premise of this thread.