To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

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We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

In a nutshell.

I could tell you why I think: Palestinians aren’t well-liked. Everywhere where they have been allowed to settle, they cause trouble. Ask Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon.

Many of the surrounding countries quietly think Israel is doing their dirty work for them. Many have quite liked the relative peace of recent years and are angry with Iran for destroying it via its proxies.

This.

I've lived and worked in the ME and no one wants the palestinians of whom most/all support Hamas, a known terrorist organisation.

You cannot destroy terrorists by killing so many women and children that they always have fresh recruits. We learned that with the IRA, with ISIS, the ANC and others. You stop terrorism by destroying the root causes of it.

it only took 4,000 men and boys slaughtered in the Bosnian war for that to be a genocide. It doesn’t need to be hundreds of thousands.

Well investigations aren’t looking good for the IDF because video of the attack has been verified and published.

It is the manner people are killed. If they are rounded up and shot in cold blood yes. If they are killed as part of attacks in a conflict as in Gaza then no.

Nope, not for the majority of attacks and there have been published investigations showing that they ordered them to go to a spot, and then bombed that spot within hours of them getting there.

But they are rounded up within Gaza or trapped in a hospital/school/tents and then shot or bombed in cold blood,

Says who, Hamas?

Remember IDF allegedly bombed a hospital and killed 500 yet it turned out it was some palestinian group's rocket misfired and the death toll wasn't verified. Hamas make stuff up.

What tizzy are you actually referring to then. You’ll notice I’m not the one legging it around Mumsnet to set up counter threads. That’s you. You need corral posts because evidence much of what you post.

If anyone is in any doubt…. Watch this…. Be warned it’s a hard watch (the last moments of the paramedics).

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It looks like they were outright murdered by the most ‘moral’ army in the world.

The lying f@cktards even said the vehicles were unmarked without flashing lights. You can’t believe a single thing that comes out of the mouths of these Zionists from day 1 (remember all those beheaded babies?).

The death of one Zionist is a tragedy …. The death of 50,000 Palestinians is a statistic.

It seems like a lot of people are conflating sympathy with Palestinian civilians with support of Hamas. I mean yes, it is true that Hamas was voted into power in 2006, but a lot of the population were not eligible to vote then, and of those who were, I would very much doubt that people expected that they would not get another vote for 20 years!

As far as I can see, the civilians on both sides are victims in this, and on both sides, the leaders are acting in their own interests rather than in the best interests of their populations.

I remember that being investigated and concluded as untrue. The IDF even acknowledged it.

You’re bent in believing anything that support the Israeli govts aims. Brainwashed.

What's your definition of the term Zionist?

Yes you can see a convoy of ambulances and then you can hear shots. That's all that the clip shows?

Anything could've happened, 90% of the clip is darkness.

I'm not brainwashed merely pointing out that Hamas make shit up. All the time.

As interesting as all that is it is completely irrelevant to the question I posed in relation to the statement if the hostages are freed the war will end with no other extenuation conditions or factors.

As seen above, Hamas & everyone else had agreed to it

Well, your second link says this;

The diplomats and officials stressed the ideas that had emerged from the UAE talks lacked detail and had not been distilled into a formal, written plan nor adopted by any government.

Your third link says this;

Officials in the PA acknowledged that the agreement does not guarantee the Palestinian [Authority] any involvement in the Strip.

Wiki summarises the phase 3 oversight as follows
Hamas would not rebuild its military capabilities

Your first link is dated 17 Feb 2025 - the same date as this CNN article in which a different Hamas official says this;

Hamdan also said the idea of Hamas disarming is not up for discussion. The group “was not erased” by the war, he said, adding that it will regroup and continue “and I am telling you, we have an opportunity to expand.”

Hamdan added that the region should retain the ability “to slap Israel whenever it wants… as we proved on October 7,”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/17/middleeast/hamas-will-not-disarm-gaza-israel-intl/index.

You are @Gloriia, brainwashed. Intent on discrediting any evidence or outlet which speaks against Israeli violence, and believe anything old rush which supports the violence.

That’s because phase 2 was supposed to be negotiated during phase 1 and phase 3 negotiated during phase 2. So ofc there was no formal signed and sealed document laying out the exact terms of phase 2 or 3.

However, what I said was true- Hamas had agreed that the PA would take over Gaza in phase 3 and only Israel disagreed.

Also what a random Hamas official Hamdam says is as unimportant as what say Herzog or Cornricus say regarding the IDF and Israel. These are not the decision makers.

You can also hear the shooters talking in Hebrew.
The investigation analysed the geo location and time of the video and it matches when the convoy went.
The vehicles shown in the video match the destroyed ones found. It also all matches satellite photos taken of the area and the vehicles that shows as they destroyed and vehicles and buried them and the bodies after dawn…so some was caught by satellite,
The voices of the paramedics have been idenfied as belonging to the bodies found.
The video was found on the mobile phone with the body of one of the paramedics killed (it was his phone) in the shallow grave that IDF admitted they had dug and bulldozed the bodies into.
IDF has already admitted to killing them. The video shows someone in the ranks lied about the vehicles not having their lights on, and not being clearly marked as rescue humanitarian and UN vehicles. They lied about the personnel not wearing their Red Cross/crescent uniforms, UN uniform and fire fighter uniforms, they lied about killing terrorists as part of the group,

The investigation also found that the area was declared an evacuation zone over an hour after they’d shot and killed everyone.

The investigation included US journalists - NY Times and Sky News- these are not Hamas propagandists or apologists.

The video also corroborates the one survivor of the convoy eye witness testimony.

It isn't irrelevant. You keep asking people on multiple threads what they think about Netanyahu saying he wouldn't end the war even if all the hostages are released.

So I'm pointing out that it seems reasonable enough for him to think that Hamas need to be destroyed in addition to the hostages being released. Seeing as they are a terrorist organisation, don't recognise Israel's right to exist and carried out a massacre of their civilians in October 2023.

What is unreasonable about that?

Yeah no still irrelevant.

Posters stated just release the hostages and the massacres (actually that was my word they said war ) will stop.
I said no that there was an indication that a hostage release would not end hostilities and explained why.

I'm not worried about what Netanyahu thinks (that will be for war crime courts afterwards thank goodness)

You did not explain why, you just keep asking people what they think about Netanyahu saying he wouldn't end the war even if all the hostages are released.

You're trying to score points by saying to people, even if the hostages were released, Natanyahu still wouldn't bring the war to an end.

You never explain why not ...or what else he is requiring ... or whether you think that is reasonable or not.