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Conflict in the Middle East

330 reported killed so far in today's airstrikes

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Scirocco · 18/03/2025 07:29

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

New evacuation orders have been issued. Israeli government reported as saying they will fight until their war aims are achieved.

At least 330 killed after Israel launches extensive strikes on Gaza, Hamas-run ministry says - live updates

Israel launched dozens of air strikes on cities across Gaza, in the largest wave since a ceasefire with Hamas began in January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

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dairydebris · 20/03/2025 13:51

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 13:45

Like the West Bank where Jewish Israelis are throwing Palestinians out of their homes, burning their villages and have Palestinians living under military law? What more rights would they like there do you think?

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I wasn't talking about the West Bank or Gaza.
I was talking about the nation of Israel. Where approx 20% of citizens are Palestinian/ other Arabic origin.
I'm just pointing out to the previous poster that there is indeed a state where everyone has the same rights. Israel. She didn't seem to be aware.

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 13:52

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 13:51

I wasn't talking about the West Bank or Gaza.
I was talking about the nation of Israel. Where approx 20% of citizens are Palestinian/ other Arabic origin.
I'm just pointing out to the previous poster that there is indeed a state where everyone has the same rights. Israel. She didn't seem to be aware.

But let's not forget how many rights Jews and Christians currently have in Palestinian areas...

This was about Israel? Because it reads like you are complaining about the rights of Jewish Israelis in the West Bank or Gaza where they seemingly have the right to demolish 95% of it, prevent vital aid and kill over 400 people including almost 200 children in 1 day and still have people talking about how they should have more rights.

Twiglets1 · 20/03/2025 14:11

I see the discussion has moved on @ScrollingLeaves but in response to your post tagging me this morning, I agree that Israel broke the ceasefire on this occasion and I definitely don't agree with them doing that. Obviously Hamas broke the uneasy peace back in October 2023 in quite horrific circumstances but this time it is Israel who are to blame.

My personal opinion is that Netanyahu will continue to take vengeance on Hamas for the October attack now he has such strong support from Trump - with or without the hostages being released. It would look better on Hamas if they did the decent thing and released the innocent hostages anyway, but I don't think they care about how things look to soft people in the west who value innocent human lives - both Palestinian & Israeli.

Neither does Netanyahu apparently and neither does Trump.

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 14:12

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 13:52

But let's not forget how many rights Jews and Christians currently have in Palestinian areas...

This was about Israel? Because it reads like you are complaining about the rights of Jewish Israelis in the West Bank or Gaza where they seemingly have the right to demolish 95% of it, prevent vital aid and kill over 400 people including almost 200 children in 1 day and still have people talking about how they should have more rights.

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A previous poster at 1300 said Israel has no right to exist in its current state. They went on to say that it should be just one state with equal rights for everyone.
I was just pointing out that this was indeed what the original zionists hoped for. One secular state. Israel is still a secular state. Palestinians who live in Israel have the same rights as Jews who live in Israel.
I was just pointing that out.
No more no less.
I dont support settlers in the West Bank.
I sometimes get upset at the hatred shown for Israel especially when it appears to me to come from an unwillingness to try to understand both sides.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2025 14:26

@Twiglets1 Please do not worry, or feel you must reply. I simply thought that article was interesting, and better informed than I could be.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2025 14:28

ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2025 14:26

@Twiglets1 Please do not worry, or feel you must reply. I simply thought that article was interesting, and better informed than I could be.

Sorry, @Twiglets1 I missed you had replied. Thank you. I had got out of synch.

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 14:29

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 14:12

A previous poster at 1300 said Israel has no right to exist in its current state. They went on to say that it should be just one state with equal rights for everyone.
I was just pointing out that this was indeed what the original zionists hoped for. One secular state. Israel is still a secular state. Palestinians who live in Israel have the same rights as Jews who live in Israel.
I was just pointing that out.
No more no less.
I dont support settlers in the West Bank.
I sometimes get upset at the hatred shown for Israel especially when it appears to me to come from an unwillingness to try to understand both sides.

I don't believe that it wasn't 'no more no less' or you wouldn't have added your last sentence about rights in Palestinian areas. I don't think you will find many Israelis jumping for the 'right' to live under military law or have their homes taken away from them just because or have their village burnt to the grounds and then get detained and tortured because they objected to it. I get upset when people don't acknowledge what life is really like for Palestinians under Israeli occupation and throw out unthinking statements about Jewish Israelis not having the same rights as them in occupied territories like Israelis are the victims there. That's what people have been objecting to for years after all, Palestinians being forced to live under different laws with different rights to Israelis in Palestinian areas.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2025 14:30

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 13:51

I wasn't talking about the West Bank or Gaza.
I was talking about the nation of Israel. Where approx 20% of citizens are Palestinian/ other Arabic origin.
I'm just pointing out to the previous poster that there is indeed a state where everyone has the same rights. Israel. She didn't seem to be aware.

I believe the rights are not all the same. But at least the principle is there.

Scirocco · 20/03/2025 14:34

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 13:51

I wasn't talking about the West Bank or Gaza.
I was talking about the nation of Israel. Where approx 20% of citizens are Palestinian/ other Arabic origin.
I'm just pointing out to the previous poster that there is indeed a state where everyone has the same rights. Israel. She didn't seem to be aware.

That's not entirely accurate - there has been a lot of documentation and discussion about how discrimination and inequality are widespread and established within Israel. Not everyone in Israel has the same rights. And that's just considering people actually living in Israel, not even factoring in annexed and occupied land and communities.

The hundreds being killed in Palestine right now, though, aren't in Israel. They are in Palestine. And they are being killed by Israeli forces.

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sellotapechicken · 20/03/2025 14:55

Liv999 · 20/03/2025 11:42

Netanyahu and his cronies are complete scum, terrorists in suits

They are

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 14:58

Scirocco · 20/03/2025 14:34

That's not entirely accurate - there has been a lot of documentation and discussion about how discrimination and inequality are widespread and established within Israel. Not everyone in Israel has the same rights. And that's just considering people actually living in Israel, not even factoring in annexed and occupied land and communities.

The hundreds being killed in Palestine right now, though, aren't in Israel. They are in Palestine. And they are being killed by Israeli forces.

That may well be the case.
My point was that Israel was originally created as a secular state with equal rights for all religions. And I believe that's still the case under law at least... I don't doubt under Netanyahu some groups are discriminated against. Israel wasn't meant to be that at the point of inception though.

I can't see any future Palestinian state, under Hamas at least, extending same rights to Jewish people living within its borders but I hope I'm wrong on that.

Scirocco · 20/03/2025 15:23

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 14:58

That may well be the case.
My point was that Israel was originally created as a secular state with equal rights for all religions. And I believe that's still the case under law at least... I don't doubt under Netanyahu some groups are discriminated against. Israel wasn't meant to be that at the point of inception though.

I can't see any future Palestinian state, under Hamas at least, extending same rights to Jewish people living within its borders but I hope I'm wrong on that.

Why assume the worst of Palestinians, while giving the benefit of the doubt to others?

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dairydebris · 20/03/2025 15:32

Scirocco · 20/03/2025 15:23

Why assume the worst of Palestinians, while giving the benefit of the doubt to others?

I assume the worst of Palestinian leadership, as it has frequently chosen violence and terrorism in pursuit of political goals.
I assume there's any number of decent Palestinian civilians who could rise up as moderate leadership but the violent oppression of their own governments keeps them from speaking out.
I think perhaps the brightest Palestinian youth gets radicalized from a very young age.
I think there's as many decent Palestinians as there's decent Israelis or Brits, but very few of them have a voice yet.
I don't think there's any chance for lasting peace until all the extremists are out of the way. I think there's a democratic structure for this to take place in Israel. I don't think the structure is there yet for Palestine.

MissyB1 · 20/03/2025 15:38

dairydebris · 20/03/2025 15:32

I assume the worst of Palestinian leadership, as it has frequently chosen violence and terrorism in pursuit of political goals.
I assume there's any number of decent Palestinian civilians who could rise up as moderate leadership but the violent oppression of their own governments keeps them from speaking out.
I think perhaps the brightest Palestinian youth gets radicalized from a very young age.
I think there's as many decent Palestinians as there's decent Israelis or Brits, but very few of them have a voice yet.
I don't think there's any chance for lasting peace until all the extremists are out of the way. I think there's a democratic structure for this to take place in Israel. I don't think the structure is there yet for Palestine.

It's interesting because I see the Israeli Government as just as extremist as Hamas. Israel needs to vote this lot out for sure, both Gaza and Israel need new Governments if there is to be any peace.

Whatsinanamehey · 20/03/2025 16:06

Can you imagine the uproar around the world if Israelis were being killed whilst living in flimsy tents and having their water and aid blocked. There would be an uproar by our world leaders, but because its Palestinians they can't even say that Israel is breaking international law let alone express any further disgust.

jasflowers · 20/03/2025 16:17

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ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2025 16:17

MissyB1 · 20/03/2025 15:38

It's interesting because I see the Israeli Government as just as extremist as Hamas. Israel needs to vote this lot out for sure, both Gaza and Israel need new Governments if there is to be any peace.

Netanyahu’s three-front war: Scorched earth for hostages, democracy and Jews

Esther Solomon Haaretz English editor in chief.

This week, Israelis woke up to war again, but this time not to the Hamas surprise attack of October 7 but to a conscious decision by their government to restart fighting, against the will of the popular majority, which consistently favors an end to the war and the return of all the hostages. This same week, the Netanyahu government intensified its battles on two other fronts as well: its war on Israeli democracy, and its war on Diaspora Jews.

Prime Minister Netanyahu is baldly exhibiting his 'vision' for the character of his own regime and the principles that govern the Israeli state's behavior at home and abroad. It is a vision that is genuinely revolutionary, in that it rips up and shreds into confetti most of the fundamental values and social contracts that bind the state to its citizens, and the state to the Jewish people outside its borders.

With the Trump administration's backing, but to the consternation of most of the rest of the international community, IDF airstrikes are now raining down on Gaza again. Netanyahu's ministers are using bloodcurdling language, directed at the whole population of Gaza, and not only Hamas.

The declared premise for breaking the cease-fire – that extreme military pressure will force Hamas into capitulation, and will lead to hostages being released alive – is false and illogical. Sixteen months of war has shown that only negotiations bring back significant numbers of hostages alive, that airstrikes kill them, and Hamas, which has repopulated its ranks, has no pangs of conscience to fight to the last Gazan. As Einav Zangauker, warrior mother of hostage Matan, said: "Netanyahu has opened the gates of hell not on Hamas, but on our loved ones."

The real reason for resuming war is to satiate the annexationist warlust of the far right, and win the prime minister more time in power. And both of those reasons factor into the resurgence-on-steroids of the government's judicial coup, now honed to take out the Shin Bet head and the Attorney General, the key remaining gatekeepers of democracy and the rule of law.

There's an urgency to Netanyahu's call to rid himself of these troublesome officials, and it's called Qatargate: the rolling scandal of close aides to Netanyahu allegedly being paid by Doha for positive PR during the war, in which the Shin Bet is a lead investigative agency. In true Trumpist style, and with a nod to his fellow White House populists, Netanyahu took to social media to accuse the "leftist deep state" of conspiring to weaponize the justice system to bring down the right-wing government.

This week there were also dramatic developments in the third front: How the government understands its relationship with Diaspora Jews. Amichai Chikli, the minister in charge of Diaspora relations and Israel's antisemitism czar, is organizing a "combating antisemitism" conferencestuffed with representatives of European far-right parties whose antisemitic, neo-Nazi, illiberal record is either a fact of their founding and/or an everyday feature of their activists' rhetoric.

It was an ambush for the high-profile representatives of U.S. and European Jewish communities also invited to attend: To show solidarity with Israel at the cost of their own values and safety. One by one, they have cancelled, from the U.K.'s Chief Rabbi to the head of the ADL: Even Israel's President refused to host the far-right politicians. These are rare, brave moves that may well be a milestone in the breakdown of Israel-Diaspora relations, a sign of how infuriated Diaspora Jews are and how arrogant, cynical and fanatic the Israeli government.

Netanyahu's wars have terrible human costs, but they are also designed to reshape language and the space for dissent. To jumpstart the cease-fire, make war. To save the hostages, bomb them. To save democracy, institute autocracy. To confront antisemitism, welcome antisemites.

Despite their deep fatigue, most Israelis aren't buying it. Forty thousand turned out to protest in Tel Aviv on Tuesday; thousands more in Jerusalem the next day. But Netanyahu has formidable weapons at his disposal, and there is no cease-fire pending for the wars outside and inside Israel's borders.

Esther Solomon,
Editor-in-chief, Haaretz English

sellotapechicken · 20/03/2025 16:27

Whatsinanamehey · 20/03/2025 16:06

Can you imagine the uproar around the world if Israelis were being killed whilst living in flimsy tents and having their water and aid blocked. There would be an uproar by our world leaders, but because its Palestinians they can't even say that Israel is breaking international law let alone express any further disgust.

Yeah this is how I feel. Any mention of genocide and it’s immediately beaten down or deleted for breaking talk guidelines

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 22:46

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/20/israel-strikes-gaza-child-death-toll

More child deaths today. A father and his 7 children killed, a 1 month old baby girl left an orphan as her parents and brother were killed.

A spokesperson for al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital in Deir al-Balah said 70% of the injured were women and children, most arriving in critical condition.

Israels refusal to allow life saving aid into the strip is also having effecting for those attacked making them victims twice over.

“The injured are lying on the ground with blood covering the floors of the hospitals. We are suffering greatly from a shortage of supplies for emergency and intensive care, as well as for surgeries and medical equipment. There is a severe shortage of fuel stations, desalination stations, oxygen, and a critical shortage of fuel in the hospitals,” Wahidi said.

Meanwhile amongst all of this Palestinian child death and suffering Netanyahu promises that it is 'only the beginning'.

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 23:47

LoyalAquaOtter · 20/03/2025 22:46

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/20/israel-strikes-gaza-child-death-toll

More child deaths today. A father and his 7 children killed, a 1 month old baby girl left an orphan as her parents and brother were killed.

A spokesperson for al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital in Deir al-Balah said 70% of the injured were women and children, most arriving in critical condition.

Israels refusal to allow life saving aid into the strip is also having effecting for those attacked making them victims twice over.

“The injured are lying on the ground with blood covering the floors of the hospitals. We are suffering greatly from a shortage of supplies for emergency and intensive care, as well as for surgeries and medical equipment. There is a severe shortage of fuel stations, desalination stations, oxygen, and a critical shortage of fuel in the hospitals,” Wahidi said.

Meanwhile amongst all of this Palestinian child death and suffering Netanyahu promises that it is 'only the beginning'.

Israels refusal to allow life saving aid into the strip is also having effecting for those attacked making them victims twice over.

I just realised this doesn't make much sense it's late and I'm recovering from an operation, I hope you can get what I mean Blush

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/03/2025 11:32

Thank you for the article, @ScrollingLeaves

Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 11:48

I just saw the IDF have blown up the Turkish hospital in Gaza that they previously occupied and used as a base.

Hospitals are already struggling with shortage of supplies and doctoes coupled with a high influx of injured due to the indiscriminate bombing and on top of that the IDF have started bombing hospitals again.

Twiglets1 · 21/03/2025 18:09

Israel to ‘seize more ground’ and warns Hamas it will annex parts of Gaza

Israel’s defence minister said on Friday he had instructed the military to “seize more ground” in Gaza and threatened to annex part of the territory unless Hamas released 59 Israeli hostages still held by the Islamist militant group in the devastated territory. Israel Katz’s warning came as the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) intensified the new offensive launched on Tuesday, when a wave of airstrikes shattered the truce that had brought a fragile and relative calm since mid-January.

Further “non-stop” attacks took place overnight across much of Gaza. “It’s all day and all night. Drones, planes, artillery, tanks … all the time. It’s as bad as it’s ever been,” said one aid worker now based in Gaza City.
After retaking part of the strategic Netzarim corridor that divides Gaza’s north from south, Israeli troops have advanced towards the northern town of Beit Lahiya and into the southern border city of Rafah.

Israeli officials have escalated their threats in recent days, calling on Palestinians in Gaza to overthrow Hamas or face the consequences.
“I ordered [the army] to seize more territory in Gaza,” Katz said in a statement. “The more Hamas refuses to free the hostages, the more territory it will lose, which will be annexed by Israel.”

Katz also threatened “to expand buffer zones around Gaza to protect Israeli civilian population areas and soldiers by implementing a permanent Israeli occupation of the area”, should Hamas not comply. The permanent establishment of wide buffer zones in Gaza, particularly along its northern perimeter, has long been thought by observers to be an objective of many within the Israeli security establishment and government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/21/israel-katz-warns-hamas-gaza-annex-war

Israel to ‘seize more ground’ and warns Hamas it will annex parts of Gaza

Defence minister issues threat as IDF intensifies offensive with ‘non-stop’ overnight attacks across territory

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/21/israel-katz-warns-hamas-gaza-annex-war

VolcanoJapan · 21/03/2025 18:22

Israel to ‘seize more ground’ and warns Hamas it will annex parts of Gaza unless Hamas released 59 Israeli hostages still held by the Islamist militant group in the devastated territory.

So they want the hostages back OR they will seize more land. Will that motivate Hamas to return hostages that they should never have taken in the first place?