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330 reported killed so far in today's airstrikes

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Scirocco · 18/03/2025 07:29

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

New evacuation orders have been issued. Israeli government reported as saying they will fight until their war aims are achieved.

At least 330 killed after Israel launches extensive strikes on Gaza, Hamas-run ministry says - live updates

Israel launched dozens of air strikes on cities across Gaza, in the largest wave since a ceasefire with Hamas began in January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

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Martymcfly24 · 18/03/2025 22:57

caringcarer · 18/03/2025 22:52

They need to hand back the hostages. 25 still alive according to Hamas yet they hand over 4 dead bodies and only 1 live hostage.

It's not about the hostages.

If it was they would have went to phase 2 where they would have been released.

But you know that and you are trying to distract from the 174 children that don't get tucked into bed tonight because at 2 am yesterday morning without warning bombs were released that literally blew their bodies to smithereens.

ssd · 18/03/2025 23:00

caringcarer · 18/03/2025 22:52

They need to hand back the hostages. 25 still alive according to Hamas yet they hand over 4 dead bodies and only 1 live hostage.

Where is the "care" for the 174 children murdered last night @caringcarer

EasterIssland · 18/03/2025 23:20

caringcarer · 18/03/2025 22:52

They need to hand back the hostages. 25 still alive according to Hamas yet they hand over 4 dead bodies and only 1 live hostage.

Agree. They need to hand the hostages back. Doubt they’ll during the war though. If only they had an agreement for a phase 2 to return them … wonder who didn’t want to commit to that agreement. Wonder who the hostages relatives are angry with.

praying that tonight is a peaceful night for those in Gaza.

kirinm · 18/03/2025 23:33

Twiglets1 · 18/03/2025 17:37

I don't know what is so hard about just acknowledging that there have been victims on both sides and if we are (rightly) condemning Trump & Netanyahu & the IDF we can also condemn Hamas for the loss of civilian life.

How many Israelis were murdered last night? Because this thread is about the 400 Palestinians that were murdered. That’s what this thread is acknowledging.

Whatsinanamehey · 19/03/2025 04:44

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/statement-unicef-executive-director-catherine-russell-attacks-gaza

The strikes caused the single highest child death toll in the last year. How exactly is murdering sleeping Palestinian children helping Israeli hostages?

caringcarer · 19/03/2025 05:10

Martymcfly24 · 18/03/2025 22:57

It's not about the hostages.

If it was they would have went to phase 2 where they would have been released.

But you know that and you are trying to distract from the 174 children that don't get tucked into bed tonight because at 2 am yesterday morning without warning bombs were released that literally blew their bodies to smithereens.

Yet all the bombing could stop if only they would hand over the hostages.

EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 05:57

caringcarer · 19/03/2025 05:10

Yet all the bombing could stop if only they would hand over the hostages.

Bombing would stop if Israel left Gaza.

both steps were agreed in phase 2

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:32

kirinm · 18/03/2025 23:33

How many Israelis were murdered last night? Because this thread is about the 400 Palestinians that were murdered. That’s what this thread is acknowledging.

Hamas are relevant to this thread, as shown in the BBC link that OP provided in their first post

More than 400 people have been killed and hundreds injured by Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
Israel, Hamas and the US have exchanged accusations throughout the day. In a statement on Tuesday evening, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel had resumed combat in Gaza with "full force", adding that the strikes were "just the beginning."
Netanyahu accused Hamas of rejecting proposals Israel had brought to ceasefire talks, saying negotiations would be done "under fire" from now on.
Earlier, Hamas accused Israel of attacking "defenceless civilians", adding that the US bore "responsibility for the massacres" in Gaza, after it emerged Israel briefed the US on the strikes prior to launching them.
US Ambassador to the UN Dorothy Shea, on the other hand, blamed Hamas for the renewed fighting, claiming it had rejected every proposal and deadline in recent weeks.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

Israel continuing strikes across Gaza, as Hamas ministry says more than 400 killed

It comes after the Hamas ministry says more than 400 people have been killed in strikes across the Gaza Strip on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t?post=asset%3Aeb7ce8f7-f2b8-491a-b79b-a25a712fc2ba#post

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:52

I agree with both @caringcarer that the bombing could stop if only Hamas would hand over the hostages but also with @EasterIssland that Israel need to leave Gaza.

Both parties had agreed that the second phase negotiations would include these things but the problem is, they don't trust each other.

Hence, negotiations for the second stage had stalled. Hamas wasn't prepared to release more hostages and Netanyahu wasn't prepared to instruct troops to begin to leave the Gaza strip without more hostages being released.

EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 06:53

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:52

I agree with both @caringcarer that the bombing could stop if only Hamas would hand over the hostages but also with @EasterIssland that Israel need to leave Gaza.

Both parties had agreed that the second phase negotiations would include these things but the problem is, they don't trust each other.

Hence, negotiations for the second stage had stalled. Hamas wasn't prepared to release more hostages and Netanyahu wasn't prepared to instruct troops to begin to leave the Gaza strip without more hostages being released.

Thought Hamas had proposed to release American - Israeli hostages in an agreement with the American government

i think any agreement that returns hostages is better than the current situation

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:56

EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 06:53

Thought Hamas had proposed to release American - Israeli hostages in an agreement with the American government

i think any agreement that returns hostages is better than the current situation

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The parties had agreed that the second phase negotiations would include the release of all remaining hostages as well as a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza Strip, leading to a permanent end to the war.

The first phase finished on 1 March, but the negotiations for the next stage had made no progress.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6yp5d5v9jo

EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 07:00

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:56

The parties had agreed that the second phase negotiations would include the release of all remaining hostages as well as a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza Strip, leading to a permanent end to the war.

The first phase finished on 1 March, but the negotiations for the next stage had made no progress.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6yp5d5v9jo

Indeed. However , America and Israel didn’t want to start phase 2 and suggested continuing with phase 1 which Hamas refused. The main difference between the rwo phases was that Israel had to abandon Gaza

LoyalAquaOtter · 19/03/2025 07:09

caringcarer · 19/03/2025 05:10

Yet all the bombing could stop if only they would hand over the hostages.

That's what phase 2 of the ceasefire was about. If Israel would have gone along with phase 2 which Hamas agreed to the hostages would all be home by now and there would be no bombing. If this is about the hostages why did Israel not move to phase 2 as planned? Instead they chose to leave the hostages in Gaza and kill 174 children in one night.

Martymcfly24 · 19/03/2025 07:29

caringcarer · 19/03/2025 05:10

Yet all the bombing could stop if only they would hand over the hostages.

@caringcarer

Why did Israel refuse to move into phase 2 that would release the hostages?

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 07:35

I think there is fault on both sides.

Netanyahu should have gone along with phase 2, rather than trying to gain new concessions from Hamas.

But equally, Hamas should have shown more willingness to release live hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. And shown more respect for the hostage process during stage 1, rather than seeming to mock and humiliate the hostages & make a spectacle of the handovers.

There is such a huge amount of ill will on both sides that stage 1 did nothing to help. With a complete absence of trust on both sides, it is hard to see how peace can ever be achieved.

Scirocco · 19/03/2025 07:52

caringcarer · 19/03/2025 05:10

Yet all the bombing could stop if only they would hand over the hostages.

No, it wouldn't. That's been covered before.

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Bellahadthese · 19/03/2025 07:53

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Scirocco · 19/03/2025 07:58

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 06:52

I agree with both @caringcarer that the bombing could stop if only Hamas would hand over the hostages but also with @EasterIssland that Israel need to leave Gaza.

Both parties had agreed that the second phase negotiations would include these things but the problem is, they don't trust each other.

Hence, negotiations for the second stage had stalled. Hamas wasn't prepared to release more hostages and Netanyahu wasn't prepared to instruct troops to begin to leave the Gaza strip without more hostages being released.

Not entirely. The Israeli government didn't want to progress to phase 2. They wanted to cancel the agreement and make a new one as per Witkoff's proposal, which would basically extend phase 1 but not include the assurances of a 'permanent' ceasefire because they wanted to retain the right to start bombing and killing more freely (the killing of Palestinians, including civilian children, did not stop with the ceasefire) whenever they wanted.

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Ok this is my last response to you on this thread as calling people "ignorant" and putting words into my mouth that do not reflect my opinions is not helpful to the discussion and gets us nowhere.

I do blame Hamas for October 7th because they took the actions and took responsibility for them. But I don't want Palestinians to shut up and be quiet.

I would actually love peace in the middle east to be achieved through peaceful negotiation not violent actions but that seems very unlikely at the moment.

Twiglets1 · 19/03/2025 08:12

Scirocco · 19/03/2025 07:58

Not entirely. The Israeli government didn't want to progress to phase 2. They wanted to cancel the agreement and make a new one as per Witkoff's proposal, which would basically extend phase 1 but not include the assurances of a 'permanent' ceasefire because they wanted to retain the right to start bombing and killing more freely (the killing of Palestinians, including civilian children, did not stop with the ceasefire) whenever they wanted.

I agree the Israeli government didn't want to progress to phase 2 as I said on a previous post at 7.35 today Netanyahu should have gone along with phase 2, rather than trying to gain new concessions from Hamas.

EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 08:25

Comment from the British ambassador to Israel

330 reported killed so far in today's airstrikes
EasterIssland · 19/03/2025 08:35

More strikes have happened today. At least 14 people have been killed

quantumbutterfly · 19/03/2025 08:36

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I'm decent, I've never torn down a baby hostage poster, held a placard comparing Jews to Nazis, screamed at kids going into Macdonald's or assumed that someone who disagreed with me on Mumsnet is morally bankrupt.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 19/03/2025 08:44

I’m decent. I’ve spent time in Israel. I’ve found decent people there, too. Netanyahu is morally bankrupt and leads a government of butchers.

devourfeculence · 19/03/2025 12:05

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 18/03/2025 14:10

I don't normally post here either, but have some thoughts.

A spokesperson on Radio 4 just now mentioned the proxy war between Iran and Israel.

I was struck a couple of weeks ago by a photo in the Guardian of Hamas fighters lined up, masked, holding their guns. Watching were some ordinary Palestinian men and children - all grubby, poorly dressed and with badly fitting shoes. The fighters, by contrast, had smart uniforms and shiny new boots. So, they are directly funded by Iran? Paid a wage? It reminds me of Afghanistan where impoverished farmers had the chance to join the Taliban and get a wage and food.

Israel for ages has had to deal with bombs on buses and in hotels in Tel Aviv, bomb scares at the airport... So OK, they want to get rid of Hamas and make life safe for their citizens. So if all those masked fighters and their leaders were to hand in their weapons, hand over the hostages and go back to being civilians, Netanyahu and his cronies would have no excuse to bomb hospitals etc because they might be "harbouring terrorists".

But OTOH, Palestinians want freedom from this horror and to live peacefully their own land. So if Iran were to formally recognise the State of Israel and withdraw their support for Hamas, would that mean no need for the hostilities? I don't know, but it might be the beginning of the end.

Then there could be an election in Israel and moderates could take over. I'm encouraged by the new government in Syria - they seem to be saying the right things (reasonable and pragmatic).

Yeah, things have been going just fine in Syria recently...