Shiri Bibas and children

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I don't understand how it's known how they died.
I think speculating on how a person died is against MN talk guidelines but does anyone know what % of certainty we can have in the reports ?

Are you new to this board?

@Baital And where are your threads on the DRC? Your threads mourning specific children and families affected? Or is that a throwaway comment to distract attention from the fact that, in reality, you just want to derail the Bibas family's thread.

We know what you're doing. Even though this strategy works after a fashion, we see through it. Its crassness, its unkindness, its failure of feeling.

Yes.

This thread came up on trending

What would have been a reasonable response from Israel in your opinion?

Yes I remember all this news at the time
of note - Netanyahu said he did not want the dead to be released only the living.

Except literally nobody has said that.

This thread is about the Bibas family. Which you are choosing to derail when you have literally hundreds of others to discuss the bombings on.

Why are you choosing to derail? Why can't you show the smallest amount of respect?

Because they're Jews, that's why. And we can't have that.

So a thread came up in trending, @Baital, and you thought, I want to take focus away from these particular dead Jewish kids? They don't deserve sympathy, empathy, attention, pity?

There is quite literally nothing to stop you making your own thread. On any child you like. From any war or conflict the world over.

Well not to derail, but you said " I don't think any piece of the world, the UK included, 'belongs' to any ideology or people with a specific skin colour. "

Or did you not mean that?

I can't begin to imagine the pain the Bibas family are going through.

Also the pain the families of the over 10,000 Gazan children who have died are going through

@Baital Hamas are the cause of the pain.

This thread is about the Bibas family, and you don't want even this tiny space on the internet to be allowed to focus on that.

So where is your thread on them? Where are your contributions on the hundreds of other threads?

Why don't you make your own instead of derailing this one?It's not difficult.

This thread is about the Bibas family and the specific circumstances of their kidnappings and murders.

Here we go again....

Yes, I do mean that. I have members of my family who are Jewish (and have varying views on the state of Isreal's actions). My daughters are black.

So I have skin in the game

Agreed- The warring is as always spurred on by certain men on both sides.

Ideally - Leave civilians out of it.

Ok, this thread is to focus on the horrendous experiences of one family. Other families aren't relevant, and don't matter.

Over and out

We all have skin in this game. Making political points based on a family’s murder is despicable. Do better. All deaths of innocents are tragic.

Grand.

Go and make your own thread about that then, or join the hundreds of others on the MN boards that have been going since the October 7th atrocities by Hamas, the kidnappings and murders of Jewish families and the Israeli response.

Off you pop.

@ArtTheClown they do that all the time. Even on the hostage specific thread. I often wonder why? What motivation you would have?

I think they were actually taken by Palestinian civilians not official hamas members, from reports anyway.
Hamas weren't taking infants alive, presumably as they're too hard to keep quiet/manage in a hostage situation.
Doesn't excuse hamas in any way or form, but it's an important distinction to make as the criminals responsible should be accurately identified if at all possible in the future.

Obviously it’s not ok.
A child is a child.
I think the difference isn’t in the outcome. The outcome is horrific for Gazans and Israelis.

The deaths of the Bibas family feels personal. They were murdered deliberately, targeted deliberately.
Someone chose to pick two innocent children and murder them. Those children were hostages of Hamas in Gaza. They didn’t need to be murdered.

That’s the difference. And I think anyone should be able to see that difference.

Ah. I'm Jewish so I can't be antisemitic. I'm female so I can't be a misogynist. My children are black so I can't be racist.

You're an absolute pearl.

Agree

Well it took 4 posts to veer off topic.

Well done.

What about

Yes, that is what is being reported by the BBC now:

As we reported earlier, the family of Shiri Bibas says that last night she was "brought home".
That came after the remains Hamas handed over in Gaza on Thursday turned out not to be hers.
By Friday night, Hamas handed over another body that Israel has now identified as hers.
The incident caused shock and anger in Israel.
In response, Hamas said there might have been an error, perhaps due - it said - to human remains becoming mixed due to Israeli air strikes.
That raises the question of why they were then able to provide her genuine remains so swiftly. No explanation of that has yet been given.

Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari has dismissed Hamas's claim that Shiri Bibas and her children were killed in an Israeli air strike as lies.
Hamas was not the Palestinian armed faction that abducted Shiri Bibas or her children, nor is it believed to have held them afterwards.
That could suggest that Hamas did not have full command of the process of the handover of her body and perhaps didn't make necessary checks.
The body that was originally handed over is unknown, but it was not that of another hostage, according to Israel.
There is also the possibility that Hamas did it knowingly but that raises questions over why it would wish to endanger the already fragile ceasefire with such a blatantly provocative act.

I am sure we will learn more in the next few days.

What a vile post.