Have the events of the last couple of days changed your mind on the Israel/Gaza crisis?

[BaMamma]

Not only, but including, the macabre theatre with the coffins of the Bibas babies, Oded Lifshitz, and, as we now know, a currently anonymous Palestinian woman.

The locked coffins with no keys.

The antisemitic poster of Netanyahu as a blood sucking vampire.

The celebrations in Gaza, happy, joyful people surrounding those coffins., children dancing, parents smiling.

The 'mix-up' over Shiri Bibas body.

The discovery that the babies were murdered, not killed in an airstrike.

Does any of that change your mind about the rightness of your position on Israel and Palestine/Gaza?

I very much doubt the news that Hamas are monsters has come as a shock to anyone. All of this behaviour is totally in line with what they are.

No, and i think that you saying that a picture of Netanyahu as a vampire is 'antisemitic', shows how deluded you are

Sadly from what I've seen online, people still blame Jews for genocide regardless of what Hamas have done.

You're saying you don't think a picture of Netanyahu as a blood sucker is antisemitic? Are you unaware of the blood libel against Jews since at least the Middle Ages?

They're not even pretending to blame "Zionists" anymore?

I saw the vampire image as antisemitic and assumed that's what Hamas meant as they see the jews as non human.
They think that once they succeed in their mission to kill all jews then their leader will return. However, Isreal spend money on development and defence rather than tunnels so that's not happening.

No, but I've always supported Israel. This just confirms my opinion

Really, which leader will return?

This.

Same for me

I recognise you as the poster who said on 9th February that Hamas will never stop fighting for their country. You think strangling children is fighting for their country still?

OP I wouldn't say I've changed my position on the Israel / Palestinian conflict per se... but I've had a shocking realization of how much antisemitism is around and how deeply entrenched it is. I wasn't aware of this at all until very recently. Every day I can't believe what I see on here.

I wasn’t so much shocked by Hamas’ behaviour yesterday, after October 7th it wasn’t particularly surprising to me.
What I did find shocking though were the civilians celebrating - men, women and even children.
Dancing, smiling, filming the horrible spectacle.
Many people looking so relaxed and at ease at the sight of coffins.

No but I've always felt the same about Hamas and their cruelty

but I've had a shocking realization of how much antisemitism is around and how deeply entrenched it is. I wasn't aware of this at all until very recently.

I feel the same.

I'm hoping so badly that they were actually killed in an air strike. I can't imagine what Shiri went through if not.
She and the babies weren't even taken by official hamas, but apparently "civillians" from what I saw too? It's sickening.
And no doubt her husband is not only broken by everything but now also has the added doubt that there's a chance she may still be suffering and not dead with the lack of body.

Extraordinary to be so rude when you are so wrong. The image is a manifestation of the blood libel one of the oldest antisemitic tropes. Hamas knew exactly what they were doing in employing that image. You need to admit you are wrong and retract that post.

No. I see both sides. I don't agree with Hamas and I don't agree with what the Israeli state is doing either. Unfortunately innocent children on both sides are dying. Not sure who can really claim the moral high ground here. I have travelled a lot in Eastern Europe and Germany and know full well how Jewish people were treated. I understand the desire to live in Israel. I struggle with the idea that people then (after everything) are happy to "other" and do worse to the indigenous population of Palestine. It's not about religion, but land now. We (in the West) already interfered too much.

And you know something?
In Bristol, tomorrow, there will be a rally held by Bristol Palestine Alliance.
You'd think they'd read the room.

No not changed my mind on the crisis but I am more disgusted than ever by the people who equivocate and apologise for Hamas. If this won't open their minds then I think they are lost. I've never felt more committed in my support for Israel and Jewish people.

100 % agree.

Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing. You can dislike Hamas and still think it's wrong that Palestine should be destroyed. Innocent victims on all sides.

Always been staunchly anti-Hamas & pro-Israel's right to defend itself. Don't like saying "pro Israel" as of course I don't agree with everything any country does!

The last few days have sadly confirmed my fears that the Gazans seem to agree with Hamas. They're not innocent

The question is whether the events of the last couple of days have changed your mind, I take it your answer is, "no."

I don't agree with Hamas

It wasn’t just Hamas celebrating yesterday though, plenty of civilians joined in. Healthy and happy looking.

No, I haven't changed my mind. It's just horror upon horror all round. No moral high ground for anyone.