American proposal to clear out Gaza

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Trump is proposing to "clear out" Gaza.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt

So USA is actually proposing that the Gaza Strip should be cleared of Palestinians. 1.5 million people.

That's very depressing!

Absolutely, a dangerous man

The Egyptian embassy in the USA retweeted this article in The Hill by their ambassador from when Biden’s administration last floated this idea:

"In these trying times, as tumultuous events unfold in Gaza and Israel, the global community is seeing a poignant reminder that lasting prosperity cannot be achieved at the cost of another’s misery...
........."the evacuation of over a million Gazans within Gaza is not only impractical but also runs counter to these legal obligations of an occupying power, and would precipitate a humanitarian catastrophe. This evacuation call further defies the notion of the two-state solution grounded in fairness and justice. Stripping citizens of their homeland and rendering them perpetual refugees does not move us closer to a permanent political solution but rather repels and fuels tormented sentiments of anguish, and thus reactions in the form of violence out of vengeance."

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4266008-egypt-cannot-be-part-of-any-solution-involving-the-transfer-of-palestinians-into-sinai/

Probably necessary to protect the Israeli people from Hamas scum and their supporters.

If you look at the number of deaths and destruction on both sides then the Palestinians have a greater claim for protection from the Israeli government and their violent supporters (extremist settlers)

I agree with this. I don't think you can just dismiss such statements he makes, he is after all in one of the most powerful positions globally right now.

Exactly, move out the Palestinians and Israeli's move in..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/26/trump-resumes-sending-2000-pound-bombs-to-israel-undoing-biden-pause

glad the allies are seeing it for what it’s : ethnic cleansing

Exactly. Now judge suggest something heinous - but less utterly heinous than this suggestion - it will be seen as a climb down and therefore to be accepted.

ethnic cleansing of Palestine is going to happen (continue) before our eyes.

I bet MBS is in the background also standing to make a lot of lonely, and increase his power .
next stop West Bank. Israel is hell bent on eradicating Palestinians and now has the most powerful men in the world helping him

Exactly that. The irony of the news reports tonight about Trump.
The far right in Israel are dancing. All going as planned even with the little ceasefire hiccup and token resignations.
What has Israel become.

Trump wants the Saudis to pump out more oil to bring the global price and inflation down to make him look good in the US. He also wants Saudis to normalise relations with Israel and does he also want a Qatari gas route?

So how will it all pan out.
I feel so much for Palestinians just pawns in a horrible game.

Both Palestine and Israel want Jerusalem, Trump had already moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, that speaks volumes..

"It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there"

Gosh what an insight. Here I was thinking it was a war zone, not a mild inconvenience.

It's just a mild spot of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Utterly disgusting that the world is in such a state where world leaders and their hangers-on can openly advocate for this, and ordinary people can somehow say they don't think it sounds that bad.

People don't see Palestinians (and on a wider scale, Muslims) as deserving of human rights and don't see their lives as mattering as much as others. But people forget that, to the people in power, they'll likely be disposable too, at some point.

Yep. The Abraham Accords have a lot to answer for: Expansionist Imperialism dressed up as peace. Perhaps they didn't think we'd care about or even notice the destruction of the Palestinian State and its people.

Slowly slowly.....

Everybody thinks they're living in The Most Important Time, Ever, spluttering in despair and disbelief as the great arc of history sweeps along.

One century, your own people are on the ascendant, next you're slaves to the new ruling elite, actual or economic. Treaties are made, then broken; alliances surge then crumble; nations rise and fall; stronger peoples overcome weaker peoples; populations are decimated or move on, voluntarily or enforced; deepening religious beliefs, population imbalances, natural resource availability and natural disasters then scarcity drive conflict and reshape maps.

While millions are displaced either voluntarily- the great sweep of the global south wanting a piece of the prosperous north, or coercively- much of central Africa on the move away from religious war, ethnic cleaning, genocide and famine, somehow the fate of the Gazans has achieved a centrality in a section of western minds that flies in the face of the realities that history has demonstrated to us.

Trumps suggestion is impractical for one major reason: the neighbours do not want them, the reasons for which others have already detailed. But the concept that there's anything special about this conflict versus any others is only driven by TikTok and antisemitism.

Given the public shift of sentiment from the most powerful leader on Earth, I think a degree of pragmatism is called for, and an understanding that some of the players in this war need to rethink their strategy.

Let us recall that Trump BEFORE he was even inaugurated, brought about a ceasefire.

Let us recall that Trump BEFORE he was even inaugurated, brought about a ceasefire.

For the good of all people or for expansionist goals?

It might not be special to some people, but it's bloody important to me.

Purely pragmatically, looking at the state of the place it's not like they would be uprooted from their homes as there aren't any left. For the vast majority it might be a better life in another location.
The fly in the ointment is that Egypt etc al don't want the Palestinians, not least because they don't want to import Hamas.

But homes, schools, health care and other infrastructure will have to be rebuilt for the population anyway wherever they are, so why not in Gaza, which is their home?

You can’t just move people around like pawns. There are no homes, schools or education facilities for them anywhere. So these things will have to be built regardless.

But they would not be in their homeland. They would be homeless, stateless, evicted from what little remains of their land, evicted from where their loved ones are buried. They would never be able to return. Never be able to visit their children's graves, never be able to stand on the land of their parents and grandparents. That's not a course of action that it can be right to impose on anyone.

Palestine should be rebuilt for the Palestinians. Not so that expansionist extremists can profit from it.

People who want to "clear out" the Gazans from their homeland should read Primo Levi, the poem at the beginning of "If this is a man".

You who live safe
In your warm houses,
You who find, returning in the evening,
Hot food and friendly faces:
Consider if this is a man
Who works in the mud
Who does not know peace
Who fights for a scrap of bread
Who dies because of a yes or a no,
Consider if this is a woman,
Without hair and without name
With no more strength to remember,
Her eyes empty and her womb cold
Like a frog in winter.
Meditated that this came about:
I commend these words to you.
Carve them in your hearts
At home, in the street,
Going to bed, rising;
Repeat them to your children.
Or, may your house call apart,
May illness impede you,
May your children turn their faces from you.