American proposal to clear out Gaza

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Trump is proposing to "clear out" Gaza.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt

So USA is actually proposing that the Gaza Strip should be cleared of Palestinians. 1.5 million people.

There hasn’t been the noise about Trump standing aside from his various companies upon assuming the presidency. Not like last time. My bet is he has his finger in (or will have) any number of construction companies who will (surprise, surprise) win multi billion dollar contracts to rebuild Gaza. And not for the benefit of Palestinians.

Its up there with his Covid suggestion to inject bleach. He can suggest these ideas to the neighbouring countries all he wants, it will just make them even less willing to work with him and make the US more of a target for extremists on the other side.

I don't think it's the worst suggestion as it would lead to increased peace and security in the region. Having Palestinians under different authority would stop organisations like Hamas taking hols with their murderous ideology. If enough can be offered to Egypt and Jordan maybe they would acquiesce?

If Hamas remain in charge and there is no country willing to invest in Gazan reconstruction then maybe this is the only realistic option?
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If Hamas remain in charge then there seems to be only the path of eventual war again and that why Trump has given Israel the 2000 pound bombs.....

Trump hotel Gaza... why not? Cocktails by the media?

Another indication that Trump has again staffed his administration with idiots who have no idea of the geopolitical reality today.

Similar to his "I'll end the Ukraine war on day 1" (which has now grown to 100 days) statement this will be fruitless.

The Egyptians, Jordanians and other countries in the region know that any displacement will be used by the Israeli government in the future to "invade" their countries to deal with any "threat".

If Trump wishes to push this through, the Palestinians should be allowed to migrate to America, after all it was their weapons that caused the destruction. I'm sure his base will fully support that!

No surprise there. Apparently there's oil off the Gaza strip. Drill baby drill....

He's suggesting Egypt, Jordan and other Arab nations take in more Palestinian refugees whilst gaza is rebuilt. Who rebuilds it and who benefits from the rebuilt nation, is less clear

Its open season on Palestinians. Trump can suggest all he wants, doesn't mean its going to happen.

It’s not likely to make Palestinians feel more confident about the ceasefire and where it might lead. And @mids2019 it would not make the region more peaceful- just change the geographical focus slightly and drag in other countries.

I'm really pessimistic. Gaza has been effectively leveled. The West Bank is seeing increasing settler violence against the incumbent Palestinians.

Israel will never offer the Palestinians any kind of acceptable two state solution.

Israel doesn't want a two state solution. With US backing and tacit support from the western countries momentum is building for a greater Israel.

With, Russia, Taiwan, Korea etc this really feels like a major shift in geopolitics.

Hmmm

Corrupt president wants to do morally repugnant things to people in Gaza (ie expelling them) who he supported being bombed into oblivion.

This was always part of the plan to cleanse gazans of their homeland

They won't take them. Some already did before and unfortunately it did not go well.
Jordanand surrounding countries are just now helping Syrians return. They are at capacity really

I agree they won't want Palestinian refugees. The last time in ended badly for Jordan, with them having to deal with the problems. They want to have a repeat by allowing people which Will include terrorists and supporters of terrorists into their relatively stable countries.

So what you’re suggesting is ethnic cleansing so there is peace?

America and Israel started this war to remove Palestinians from Gaza. It is their end game. To extract the oil there and take the land.

totally unsurprising that he would suggest this. and totally disappointing and scary.

@mids2019 I don't think it's the worst suggestion as it would lead to increased peace and security in the region.

When did forcibly removing 1.5m people from their homes, their land, where they have lived for generations and handing over their property, livelihoods, hopes, ever (ever, even once) lead to increased peace???

(Sadly I think it's inevitable, but I very much doubt it will lead to peace)

Did you bother to look into this at all, before repeating it? Or was 'it's all about the oil' combined with 'everyone knows Israel...' just too tempting?

Gaza is 25 miles long, and has a correspondingly tiny slice of 'Exclusive Economic Zone' in the sea off Gaza.

There are 2 very small oil fields in Gaza's zone: Marine 1 and 2. They're much, much smaller than the oil fields much further north, off Israel's coast between Tel Aviv and Haifa. And really not worth any kind of conflict, although the income could have helped the Palestinians.

In June 2023, the US had brokered a deal between Israel, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority for the PA to develop Gaza's 2 oil fields. Hamas was to get a share of the profit, which everyone agreed they would have the right to decide how to invest "to develop the economic and political situations for their people". Israel agreed to that, having received strong guarantees from Egypt that Hamas wouldn't use its share of the gas revenues to develop its weapons, and that Hamas were ready to sign a long-term truce with Israel.

Well, we all know what happened next. Just 4 months later, Hamas committed the October 7th atrocities.

The Gazan oil field development obviously stopped.

Would you be able to expand a bit on "did not go well '?

Genuine, not goady.

Ooh, 141 square miles of extra land!! And 2 tiny oil fields!

Of course that's Israel's aim.

Kinda strange that they negotiated to return the 23,000 square mile Sinai to Egypt in return for peace in 1979. 163 times as much land as the Gaza strip.

But I'm sure that the Gazan land is much more than 163 times as valuable per square metre as the Sinai.

Or maybe, just maybe, Israel just wants people to stop trying to annihilate it. And Egypt has kept its side of the bargain.

Jordan gave citizenship to Palestinians who moved to Jordan.

In return, the PLO tried to overthrow Jordan's monarchy and take over Jordan for themselves.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

After Black September, Jordan threw the Palestinian terrorists out of Jordan.

They relocated to Lebanon, and destabilised it, causing the Lebanese civil war which lasted 15 years, and caused 150,000 casualties and 1 million refugees.

Thanks @statsfun!
Lets not forget PLO situation in Kuwait as well

and some land ready for the beachside apartments..

Have to say, I think this is very like Trump's idea of injecting bleach to stop covid. Ie completely batshit, and showing a lack of even surface understanding.

I really can't see either Egypt or Jordan taking Palestinians. Egypt built a bloody great wall to make sure it's border with Gaza wouldn't be breached last year.

Although the US could apply significant pressure, since both countries receive huge amounts of US aid.

Hamas have dismissed this out of hand. The issue they have is that they've inhabited this land for thousands of years and will not not be kicked out to allow Israeli expansion.

Do you believe this to be unreasonable?