Hamas and Gaza celebrates

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Hillel Nueur, International human rights lawyer, writer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch writes: 'Never before in history has a side claimed that they suffered a genocide and at the same time that they won the war they had started.'

If you read only a handful of messages on social media today and watch the news, people in Gaza are celebrating and Hamas state they will continue (their barbarity) until Israel is eradicated. I won't repost these as anyone can find them easily.

I think things get blurry in some people minds because of the lies that have been told through out this conflict. So it's true that tunnels exist for instance. It also appears to be true that Israel exaggerates or lies about their use to justify what seem to be war crimes. Israel decimated Al-Shifa and used an animated video as 'proof' of a Hamas command centre to justify the killing of staff and patients and the removal of vital healthcare then after the destruction and killings could provide no actual proof that their animated video was anything but fantasy. There was a bunker under Al Shifa, Israel knew that because they themselves built it but there is no evidence that it was being used as a major Hamas control center as claimed in their little animation.

Really it goes to show the importance of independent witnesses being allowed into war zones. Both Hamas and Israel are extremely unreliable narrators. Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Israel seem to think that calendars and animations are evidence enough to decimate healthcare and torture staff and patients.

Hopefully this ceasefire will happen, independent witnesses will be allowed onto Gaza and we will find out the truth of what has really happened over the past 15months.

Exactly. October 7th was not a little uptick in a continuous stream of violence. It was a huge attack that was designed to completely recalibrate the situation. It was a decalaration of war.

There’s the pp highlighted below. It was commented on a few times. Not sure why you’d skip that.

As for wanting usernames that’s not going to happen, it’s a comment on a general view not just on these threads. If you don’t think it you know it’s not you.

Denying the existence of tunnels??!! Where have you been?

That's on a par with being a flat-earther.

The idea that you pick out and list individual usernames every time anyone wants to say anything is to over personalise things.
Yet that is what we always do, you address the poster you are talking about.......

I wish we could talk about issues and stop endlessly drilling down into individual posters opinions & trying to find gotchas.
And I wish posters would quote or report the posts they have an issue with because vagua accusations are just a tool to shut people up.

There’s the pp highlighted below. It was commented on a few times. Not sure why you’d skip that.
But that was an interpretation of what the poster said and the poster accused then came back on and explained what they meant. Shame they weren't quoted initially to resolve it

As for wanting usernames that’s not going to happen, it’s a comment on a general view
That's not good enough when people are accusing others of being terrorist sympathisers. That is a serous accusation and by accusing everyone you are in fact accusing no one because it is unlikely someone will recognise themselves as such, but I can see I seem to be alone in wanting posters to be specific about who they are talking about, obviously that just means they have to prove and defend their accusation which maybe some posters don't seem to want to do.
I will leave this thread now for fear I am indirectly accused of anything else.

I’ve apologised already twice and expressed what I meant and backed it with a cnn link. If that’s not good enough for some then it’s fine. But those continue accusing me of saying something I’ve not said after my apologies are really twisting their words.

as for the thread topic. Hamas is celebrating ? Yes. Palestinians are celebrating ? Yes. Israel is celebrating? Some of them are , specially the relatives of the hostages. Is the world celebrating? Yes many of us are. We prefer peace over war.

That was a different point. And you can approach it differently as you wish

As for a more generalised comment on views re starting the war I know my posts were just that. They were not about specific posters (bar the pp who said it originally) so there is no list in my mind.

To add @EasterIssland i know you have corrected it which is good, but when I posted it was before that and it was just about general views and not really anyone else on the thread

They have been openly shown on news channels early on during the war. There are none so blind who will not see.

Then world , Israel and Hamas have to work so that there is a permanent ceasefire rather than a broken one. Continue working so ALL hostages have returned. So far it’s Israel delaying the ceasefire as it’s not been approved by the government yet and this has delayed that the first hostages are now released on Sunday and they hope it’ll be on Monday.

Yes. Israel is celebrating? Some of them are , specially the relatives of the hostages.

No they aren't, EasterIsland They are extremely worried as to who is being released and who is actually dead. Hamas are not releasing any specifics other than that women and children and the over 50s (I believe) will be freed first. Israel as a whole won't be celebrating until the rockets fired from Gaza finally stop and their borders are safe from attack.

Then world , Israel and Hamas have to work so that there is a permanent ceasefire rather than a broken one.

It's rather naive to think that a permanent ceasefire will be reached when dealing with Hamas terrorists.

inguess some are some aren’t

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/15/our-fight-is-not-over-relatives-of-hostages-welcome-ceasefire-and-vow-to-keep-going

But it’s clear that when independent observers are not allowed in then people will question what is the truth? And banning press suggests there maybe things to hide. We won’t know the truth until independent investigators are in on the ground.

If you only read the Guardian you only get their POV. Last night's TV news on more than one channel was slightly more balanced and it was obvious that this is a nail biting time for relatives. No one is seriously cheering yet. Neither would you be not knowing if your loved ones will be returned in one piece or not.

To be honest I think a delay of one day (yes I understand every day is tortuous and horrendous) if the ceasefire deal has to be approved by the Israeli parliament is a good thing. Times like this I am glad for democracy, discussion and decision and not a dictatorship or unilateral thinking.

I think the opposite, hostages and civilians are still at risk of being killed so both parties need to work to start the ceasefire as soon as possible. Since the ceasefire was announced over 100 people have been killed. The sooner the ceasefire starts the sooner people will stop being killed

Not if there are faults in the process which might give one side or the other an excuse to renege. This is absolutely normal in a democracy and absolutely normal in a negotiating process.

It is funny how many ways there are to criticise & blame Israel. Now its democratic processes are at fault.

That's not what the said. They were giving an opinion on the process. It's funny how many ways there are to twist posters words to suit your narrative.

For avoidance of doubt @Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue I was absolutely agreeing with you.

Since the ceasefire was announced over 100 people have been killed.

It is desperately sad that civilians, especially children, are still being killed as this deal is getting finalised. Feels so cruel.

It's not done until it's done, until the bombs and rockets and gunfire stop, until innocent people reach safety. Hope is a fragile thing and I'm almost scared to let myself hold on to it. I can only imagine how difficult it is for the families of the innocent people abducted and taken hostage.