Hamas and Gaza celebrates

[LetThereBeLove]

Hillel Nueur, International human rights lawyer, writer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch writes: 'Never before in history has a side claimed that they suffered a genocide and at the same time that they won the war they had started.'

If you read only a handful of messages on social media today and watch the news, people in Gaza are celebrating and Hamas state they will continue (their barbarity) until Israel is eradicated. I won't repost these as anyone can find them easily.

To you want me to share quotes by elected officials of the democratic state of israel ?
The argument "but hamas" does not stand . Hamas are terrorist why should we judge israel the same way as we judge terrorists ?
Have you seen the state of palestinian prisoners ? They are very clearly being tortured by our "ally" state

They were attacked in the most horrendous way possible and they defended their people. I was more talking about historically though.... Israeli's generally are chill and want to live in peace. The attacking in peace time is all one way. Compared to the videos from Gaza where you have little children so indoctrinated with hate....that is not normal ....love your children more than hate towards others. ( I'm not talking about settler violence here which is awful and should be prosecuted)

@OpheliaWasntMad

The suggestion above is that Hamas is an inevitable response to Israeli injustices. I don’t agree. I think that’s propaganda. Hamas is funded by Iran. There are many other Islamist groups throughout Middle East and Africa. Israel is not responsible for Hamas - but it is threatened by Hamas.

Iran are taking advantage of the situation but this type of terrorism does grow in response to injustice. If they lived in a free and just society, well how many terrorists would they recruit? Not to forget that it also suited Netanyahu to prop up Hamas, which he did for a long time.

And how do you explain the decades of systematic abuse, torture and murder? Young children playing in the street who are shot at by military vehicles? Constantly repeating certain (false) statements does not make them true, nor does it convince people.

This is a wild take. Chill, peace loving settlers burning down villages. All one way 🙄

Oh I see you aren't talking about settler violence? Why? Palestinians can't ignore it so why do you?

.You are essentially saying that Israelis are peace loving except the ones that arent. Bearing in mind 10% of Israelis are settlers of one brand or another.

Exactly.

Palestinians even rejected the 2 SS that would have given them 75-80% of the land.

Where does Egypt fit into this? Gaza also has a border there.

Israel left. Gaza 20 yrs ago. You can't blame everything on that. Or the British.
Jews were attacked in the Hebron Massacre in the 1920s before Israel was even formed for instance.

@Halbiiamz not sure why my message was deleted Exactly but i see you don't want to take into account settler violence ? Why is that ? They are a minority while all palestinians are extremist right?

Sadly I believe a 2 SS is even less likely now.
Precisely what Hamas wanted.

Except now the Israelis look unreasonable for many civilians not wanting it. Tbh, I can't blame them.

Well yes, most Israeli's are peace loving! The settler violence should be dealt with in the strongest manner. The divide of the land after may be more complicated... But I think resolution can be found🙏

@argyllherewecome It is 100% up to Israel to make amends because they are the aggressor.

I can't, I just can't...

You think Hamas doesn't want a Palestinian state? Why would they not?

No they haven't. Read their Charter (2017) They want the elimination of the Zionist state aka Israel and death to all Jews.

So why have these peace loving people ignored the fact that their country is an illegal occupier that has people living under illegal blockade and under apartheid, the opposite of something peace lovers would want? That doesn't seem very peaceful. Are they all in the West Bank now protecting the settlers victims to ensure that peace reigns?

Maybe they are peace loving like you say but there is a heck of a lot of turning backs on violent, illegal behaviour and pretending that it isn't happening.

Too many people posting here haven't a clue about Arab terrorism that takes place frequently in Israel. Hamas destroyed any hope of peace by their actions on 7/10/23.

What makes you say that? Because we don't think that that justifies an illegal blockade, locking up children indefinitely and sexually abusing them, locking up adults indefinitely or without a fair trial and torturing and sexually abusing them, apartheid, occupation, burning down villages, restricting access to education, healthcare, water and all of this was prior to Oct 7. We don't need to mention the many violent acts that have taken place since then.

Can you quote where this is on the charter please? I just read the 2017 Charter and did not find anything about death to all Jews. Article 16 states that the struggle is not against Jews as a religion, but the Zionist entity.
Daniella Weiss on the other hand stated she wants rid of the Palestinians and they have lost the right to live there (in recent times Gaza, their home). Why is she and her party not a proscribed terrorist group? And she's certainly not on her own with these ideas.

Do you think the settlements have promoted the likelihood of peace with the Palestinians?

https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200205_land_grab

You are blind and naive then. They use the word Zionist to cover for Jews. Those Jews who make up the majority of the JEWISH state, not the minority who are religious. Daniella Weiss is in a minority with her views. Hamas OTOH is not.

@argyllherewecome they were literally chanting it today as the hostages (with goodie bags) were handed over. Do you want me to post it? Not a random few either...... lots of footage released.

Daniella Weiss aka grasping at straws.

You think Hamas doesn't want a Palestinian state? Why would they not?

They do, but they wish it to include all of Israel. "From the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea" .

You said on your post it was in the Charter.

It was in response to the poster who said there's even less of a chance of a Palestinian state now and that's exactly what Hamas wanted which doesn't really make much sense tbh.

Who is they? If 10% the population of Israel that are settlers are written off as a minority view then how many Palestinians were chanting it? How many is lots? 10% of the population?

Mention settlers and you are grasping at straws. Settlers don't seem to count for anything at all. One video of some Palestinians chanting though and woah! Nevermind the settlers who are currently engaged is violent, terrorist like behaviour. I bet it doesn't feel like grasping at straws to the poor people who are currently watching their homes burn to the ground.

And Israel are expanding (illegally) because they want all of it to be Israel, even moving into Golan Heights. But that's ok? "We will remove any memory of them" is a statement I will never forget.