A ceasefire deal has been agreed

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3rwqpj70ert

I really hope this is the beginning of peace and prosperity for both sides.

You don’t get it do you! Hamas were defeated.
The ceasefire agreement was not Hamas deciding what to do, it was an agreement largely dictated to them by the mediators and Israel.
Hamas had agreed to step down and not be in charge of Gaza. The PA along with international UN peacekeepers were going to take control.
Phase 2 would have meant Israel withdrawing troops and the rest of the hostages released.

It is clear to me that the continuation of the assault on Gaza has nothing to do with freeing hostages or getting Hamas out of power as that had already been agreed on and mechanisms were in place to ensure it happened.

Thanks @VolcanoJapan . I'm inclined to agree, release all hostages.
But what would Israel do and want after that ?
Would they stop hostilities , withdraw troops ?
Who and how would pressure be applied to Israel if they decided to continue to restrict aid ?
And what happens in the West Bank?

I think the pressure for a ceasefire would be immense if no hostages were being held.

A permanent ceasefire would be the result of all hostages released and then negotiations on what's next. Maybe the surrounding countries might all get together to offer assistance and help a permanent peace on the wider area. I cannot see peace whilst Hamas are still there. Just my opinion of course.

If Netanyahu really cares about the hostages why didn't he move on to phase two which would have seen the rest of them released? The hostages forum which Netanyahu claims to care about agree too.

A statement from the office of Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel would act against Hamas with "increasing military strength" as a result.
In response, the Hostages and Missing Families Forum asked why the government chose to pull out of the previously agreed ceasefire deal.
"The claim that the war is being renewed for the release of the hostages is a complete deception - military pressure endangers the hostages and soldiers," the statement read.
"We must return to the ceasefire."

Well all the hostages would have been released by now if Israel had just done what they agreed and gone on to Phase 2. We would be weeks away from Israel pulling out and the PA/International UN moving into Gaza to assume control.

Exactly, thank you.

Well we had a ceasefire that was only phased because Israel refused a permanent ceasefire at the outset and demanded all hostages released prior to a permanent ceasefire. Phase 2 was supposed to be final batch of hostages delivered and THEN start a permanent ceasefire, IDF withdrawal, Hamas gone and start the rebuild.

The Arab nations put together a £53bn package to rebuild Gaza.

Where have you been that you don’t know these basics? Everything you are saying should happen was in this ceasefire that Israel has broken.

I think the hamas posturing and cheering on hostage release with many supporters showed they aren't defeated. I can understand Israel have concerns over them planning another attack after regrouping. During the ceasefire there were terrorist attacks including the failed bus bombings, timer set incorrectly. They don't show signs of wanting peace.

I don't have the answers anymore that anyone else on here does. I just have my own opinion.

If Israel's priorities were the safe return of hostages, the removal of Hamas and reaching a sustainable peace, they could have had all that with the ceasefire agreement that had been, well, agreed.

All the hostages taken on October 7th would have been returned. There was a £53bn package agreed by the surrounding countries and approved as feasible by much of the international community, as part of a plan which would have removed Hamas from power.

All Israel had to do for that to happen was keep their word and not irredeemably break the ceasefire agreement that they agreed to...

I find it strange that people don't appear to think it wrong that hamas not only take hostages but hold them so long to achieve what exactly and rush to their defense as doing what they say they will. They are and will forever be repulsive vile scum they'll never rise above that level.

I believe that they should never have taken hostages, and then never held them so long, and find it stomach turning they are purported as doing the right thing now finally. So much praise. It was stomach churning watching them party over the bodies of a mother and her babies. Hamas have no authority to demand anything at all. That I find very odd.

Don’t think anyone is applauding Hamas. What people want is a ceasefire and the return of all hostages . And the phases agreed by Hamas and Israel in January would have achieved this. Now one of the parties is backtracking and saying no I don’t want the second phase , we continue on first or I’ll resume the war. And this is what psople (including the hostages relatives) are angry with.

No, what you saw at the releases was staged propaganda by Hamas to try and save face for this disaster they brought on the heads of all Palestinians. It shows how weak and desperate they are.

During the ceasefire IDF killed Gazan Palestinians every day, mostly children. They also broke the Phase 1 agreements on letting in a minimum amount of humanitarian aid and temporary housing.

The bus explosions in Israel miraculously hurt no one. That and the other terror attacks were launched FROM WEST BANK which was NOT included in the ceasefire for either Israel or Hamas/PIJ and other factions.

No one thinks taking hostages isn’t wrong, it is a war crime and disgusting. But here we are, they have hostages. Facing up to reality and being practical isn’t defending Hamas ffs.

As much as you think terrorists can’t be negotiated with that is actually the consistently proven best way to get hostages back alive.

Yes, Hamas laying down their arms and agreeing to a ceasefire that required the release of all live hostages before it became permanent and agreeing to stepping out of power was the right thing to do. Adhering to this agreement, which they did, was the right thing to do. Even terrorists can occasionally do the right thing, and in this case they were defeated and under immense pressure so no one is saying they did the right things out of the goodness of their hearts.

This continuation is indiscriminate vengeance on a helpless civilian population. The ceasefire becoming permanent wouldn’t have meant Hamas could just melt away and get off scot free, they’d still have been pursued and prosecuted for their war crimes.

what you saw at the releases was staged propaganda by Hamas to try and save face
Agree.

Exactly, whatever happens from here is on Israel

Thank you Sophy Ridge for giving a voice to what many of us think and challenging the Israeli ambassador

https://news.sky.com/video/hamas-broke-ceasefire-not-israel-israels-ambassador-to-the-uk-says-13332754

Israel now planning on annexing parts of Gaza and still nothing said from our government.

Israel now planning on annexing parts of Gaza and still nothing said from our government.
Shocking silence from Starmer.

This and a lot of your posts state that phase 2 of the ceasefire provided for Hamas to give up control in Gaza. Unfortunately, that was not part of the ceasefire deal… Hamas have absolutely refused to go.

The second phase did provide for a release of all hostages and a permanent Israeli withdrawal, but NOT the end of Hamas in Gaza.

I think actually Hamas have got exactly what they wanted, which is more war. They technically didn't break the ceasfire but the horrific scenes at the hostage handovers and the Bibas family fiasco, the bombs on buses in Israel, the other random stabbing and shooting attacks in Israel etc. Hamas don't want peace. They don't want a 2 state solution and they don't care about Gazan civilians. Actually, I would go further and say they want Gazan civilians to die as it provides them greater PR with the useful idiots in the West who are championing them. Which is exactly why they base themselves in hospitals and schools. I don't like the current Israel Government and don't think the new strikes were the best way forward but I do think, one way or another all of Hamas need to be irradiated. ( And I mean ideological Hamas, not economic ones who felt they had no choice) But there is going to have to be a process similar to what happened in Germany post WW2 I think before peace can actually happen.

@Sorkh
If 18 months of intense bombing hasn't eradicated Hamas what makes you think more of it will?

There was a peace talks and a ceasefire on the table but it suits Israel to walk away because they have the backing of Trump to annex Gaza. Why would they continue with a ceasefire when their ultimate aim is in reach.

All that has happened is more innocent civilians ( disproportionately mostly women and children) will die.

Calling people in the west useful idiots for supporting Palestine when Israel is funded and propped up by the West(especially America) is at the best ironic. Without the money and military aid they would have been unable to continue to bomb sleeping babies.

Hamas wants Gazan civilians to die because it makes great PR is the most ludicrous statement I have read on here. It also implies that some people are indirectly acknowledging that Israel is targeting Palestinian citizens.

Really? You don't think it's in Hamas's best interests to make Israel look bad?

It's not like they don't care about PR. Hence the "goodies bags" that someone on another thread was gushing over recently.

To make them look bad doesn't mean they welcome the deaths of nearly 50 thousand Palestinians. That's just used as a justification for Israel targeting civilians. It's the same strange rhetoric I see on here that yes Israel is wrong for killing civilians but Hamas doesn't mind so that makes it not as bad.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-emily-thornberry-rebukes-israel-ambassador-ceasefire-deal