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Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 15:45

Emily Thornberry has finally decided to speak plainly after she recently got a taste of how devious and corrupt the Israeli government actually are.

Sorkh · 21/03/2025 16:50

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 15:30

@Sorkh
If 18 months of intense bombing hasn't eradicated Hamas what makes you think more of it will?

There was a peace talks and a ceasefire on the table but it suits Israel to walk away because they have the backing of Trump to annex Gaza. Why would they continue with a ceasefire when their ultimate aim is in reach.

All that has happened is more innocent civilians ( disproportionately mostly women and children) will die.

Calling people in the west useful idiots for supporting Palestine when Israel is funded and propped up by the West(especially America) is at the best ironic. Without the money and military aid they would have been unable to continue to bomb sleeping babies.

More bombing won't end anything. I'm against it if that wasn't clear.
The hostages need to be returned though. Because they shouldn't have been taken. They're innocent. Israel needs and will get a new democratic government ( I hope in the nearest future🤞). The useful idiots aren't supporting Palestine( most of them probably couldn't point it out on a map...they're just anti-Semitic and jumping on a perceived " underdog" wagon... I've seen a few videos on you tube from supposed otherwise intelligent ivy league students).

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 17:11

Sorkh · 21/03/2025 16:50

More bombing won't end anything. I'm against it if that wasn't clear.
The hostages need to be returned though. Because they shouldn't have been taken. They're innocent. Israel needs and will get a new democratic government ( I hope in the nearest future🤞). The useful idiots aren't supporting Palestine( most of them probably couldn't point it out on a map...they're just anti-Semitic and jumping on a perceived " underdog" wagon... I've seen a few videos on you tube from supposed otherwise intelligent ivy league students).

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Do you think I am anti semitic because I have attended protests and have donated money to Palestine?

devourfeculence · 21/03/2025 17:51

Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 15:43

To make them look bad doesn't mean they welcome the deaths of nearly 50 thousand Palestinians. That's just used as a justification for Israel targeting civilians. It's the same strange rhetoric I see on here that yes Israel is wrong for killing civilians but Hamas doesn't mind so that makes it not as bad.

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I can't believe you actually believe Hamas give a a shiny shit about civilian deaths.

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 17:58

devourfeculence · 21/03/2025 17:51

I can't believe you actually believe Hamas give a a shiny shit about civilian deaths.

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Let'a be honest neither side care about civilians. They are just pawns in the power game.

Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 18:19

devourfeculence · 21/03/2025 17:51

I can't believe you actually believe Hamas give a a shiny shit about civilian deaths.

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Are you deliberately misunderstanding? There's a difference between caring about civilians and wanting 50k Palestinians murdered.

Sorkh · 21/03/2025 18:33

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 17:11

Do you think I am anti semitic because I have attended protests and have donated money to Palestine?

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Honestly? Yes, maybe? The protests are full of anti-semitism. And I would be very wary of donating money to "Palestine". I would worry it would go straight to Hamas as other aid has. A lot of Israeli aid has been shown in pictures to be in Hamas tunnels which is no help to the innocent people there.

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 18:44

Sorkh · 21/03/2025 18:33

Honestly? Yes, maybe? The protests are full of anti-semitism. And I would be very wary of donating money to "Palestine". I would worry it would go straight to Hamas as other aid has. A lot of Israeli aid has been shown in pictures to be in Hamas tunnels which is no help to the innocent people there.

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Wow. You are of course completely wrong.

I have protested against the evil actions of a state that has carpet bombed babies as they slept without warning.
A state that has used an 80 year old man as a human shield and then shot him afterwards.
A state that illegally arrested and tortured a paediatric doctor.
A state that has been found by a UN report to use sexual violence against women .
A state that has created the most child amputees than any other modern conflict.
A state that has also created 38,000 orphans.
A state that the military snipered a 12 year old in the head then prevented an ambulance coming to get him.
I could go on.

I would also protest if France, Germany or the UK did this .

It is not anti semitic to hold Israel to the same standards as other nations.

It is wrong to use anti semitism as a way to shut people up who want to protect human rights for everyone.

VolcanoJapan · 21/03/2025 18:52

I don't believe any poster is trying to shut you up @Marty people have different opinions on the conflict.

I believe all agree too many innocents have died.

However, making claims that people or a person is trying to shut you up is over the top. You probably post your opinions more than most on here, so your claim of being shut up is definitely not evidence based. 🙄

devourfeculence · 21/03/2025 18:52

Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 18:19

Are you deliberately misunderstanding? There's a difference between caring about civilians and wanting 50k Palestinians murdered.

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No I'm not deliberately misunderstanding. You seem to think Hamas think civilian lives are more important than good PR (or bad PR for Israel). I don't thibk they do. I think if the civilian deaths help them then they're okay with that.

MissyB1 · 21/03/2025 19:16

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 18:44

Wow. You are of course completely wrong.

I have protested against the evil actions of a state that has carpet bombed babies as they slept without warning.
A state that has used an 80 year old man as a human shield and then shot him afterwards.
A state that illegally arrested and tortured a paediatric doctor.
A state that has been found by a UN report to use sexual violence against women .
A state that has created the most child amputees than any other modern conflict.
A state that has also created 38,000 orphans.
A state that the military snipered a 12 year old in the head then prevented an ambulance coming to get him.
I could go on.

I would also protest if France, Germany or the UK did this .

It is not anti semitic to hold Israel to the same standards as other nations.

It is wrong to use anti semitism as a way to shut people up who want to protect human rights for everyone.

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100% this 👆

And yes the phrase "anti semitic" is unfortunately often used to try to silence any criticism of Israel. Which is a shame as that can devalue the actual meaning.

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 19:34

VolcanoJapan · 21/03/2025 18:52

I don't believe any poster is trying to shut you up @Marty people have different opinions on the conflict.

I believe all agree too many innocents have died.

However, making claims that people or a person is trying to shut you up is over the top. You probably post your opinions more than most on here, so your claim of being shut up is definitely not evidence based. 🙄

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I never said the poster was trying to shut me up, as you so rudely(emoji seriously)said, I post my opinions and am vocal about it. I said the poster clearly implied anyone who cares about Gaza is anti semitic. This is weaponizing anto semitism to shut down all criticism of Israeli actions.

I am proud of this, like I am proud of attending protests and sending donations and teaching my children to stand up against injustice. That Palestinians are people that deserve to not be murdered in their beds. Just like Israelis attending a festival deserve to not be murdered and kidnapped. When the war crimes trials happen and the history books are written I will know where I stood.

There are different opinions and neither side is "right" but what is wrong and will never be right is the way Israel has behaved in the last few days. It is genocidal behavior.

Also I love that you ignored the rest of my post...

Liv999 · 21/03/2025 19:35

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 18:44

Wow. You are of course completely wrong.

I have protested against the evil actions of a state that has carpet bombed babies as they slept without warning.
A state that has used an 80 year old man as a human shield and then shot him afterwards.
A state that illegally arrested and tortured a paediatric doctor.
A state that has been found by a UN report to use sexual violence against women .
A state that has created the most child amputees than any other modern conflict.
A state that has also created 38,000 orphans.
A state that the military snipered a 12 year old in the head then prevented an ambulance coming to get him.
I could go on.

I would also protest if France, Germany or the UK did this .

It is not anti semitic to hold Israel to the same standards as other nations.

It is wrong to use anti semitism as a way to shut people up who want to protect human rights for everyone.

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Whatsinanamehey · 21/03/2025 20:29

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 19:34

I never said the poster was trying to shut me up, as you so rudely(emoji seriously)said, I post my opinions and am vocal about it. I said the poster clearly implied anyone who cares about Gaza is anti semitic. This is weaponizing anto semitism to shut down all criticism of Israeli actions.

I am proud of this, like I am proud of attending protests and sending donations and teaching my children to stand up against injustice. That Palestinians are people that deserve to not be murdered in their beds. Just like Israelis attending a festival deserve to not be murdered and kidnapped. When the war crimes trials happen and the history books are written I will know where I stood.

There are different opinions and neither side is "right" but what is wrong and will never be right is the way Israel has behaved in the last few days. It is genocidal behavior.

Also I love that you ignored the rest of my post...

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Well said.

mollyfolk · 21/03/2025 22:16

@Martymcfly24

I couldn’t agree more. I have made sure that my children have attended a protest with me. When they are watching a documentary on this horror 20 years from now I want them to remember that we did something as a family, however small, to stand against the injustice.

My daughter made friendship bracelets with her friends and sold them in aid of MSF. I don’t know how anyone could conflate these small acts of humanitarianism with being racist.

Martymcfly24 · 21/03/2025 23:20

@mollyfolk fair play to your daughter and you for teaching such a valuable lesson. They love the friendship bracelets!
I brought mine to a Palestinian cafe in our city and she spoke to the people that work there to show that they are just like us. She Wasn't too keen on the food mind you.

VolcanoJapan · 22/03/2025 07:57

It's all very look at me, I'm on the right side of history; that phrase is repeated like some mantra. I think most people think there are too.many innocents dying in this conflict and other conflicts but day to day live their lives as best as possible. They aren't to blame at all. The blame squarely lays in the hands of hamas and Netanyahu. The fact that some march, or feel morally superior to others, doesn't make any difference, it hasn't stopped the conflict. But well done for feeling better than others. I don't blame myself for the conflict, I try to understand why both sides behave as they do though.

whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey · 22/03/2025 08:53

I think that's a very unfair attitude @VolcanoJapan .
People may feel proud of joining a protest or their children supporting Palestine aid.
That doesn't equate to them feeling morally superior.
Just because you want to criticise doesn't make your accusation valid.

VolcanoJapan · 22/03/2025 09:09

whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey · 22/03/2025 08:53

I think that's a very unfair attitude @VolcanoJapan .
People may feel proud of joining a protest or their children supporting Palestine aid.
That doesn't equate to them feeling morally superior.
Just because you want to criticise doesn't make your accusation valid.

Your opinion differs, that's fine. I have mine and the 'we're on the right side of history ' certainly implies that. Look at us, what's have you done. It truth, what we do doesn't alter much. The marches cause division. Sending aid and money in my opinion is much more helpful.

mollyfolk · 22/03/2025 09:15

I don’t feel morally superior to the general population at all @VolcanoJapan I’m Irish so I’m surrounded by people attending fundraisers for Gaza ect…That is normal and what I do is tiny.

I highlighted that we have done small acts of solidarity as a family and these are not born from racism. I think that it is possible and important to criticise the Israeli administration without resorting to anti semitism.

I do feel morally superior to the people justifying the deaths of civilians, particularly the death, mutilation and starvation of children. There is no justification for this.

whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey · 22/03/2025 09:16

I read your ". But well done for feeling better than others. "
as more of a criticism than an opinion.
But perhaps I'm wrong.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 09:18

whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey · 22/03/2025 09:16

I read your ". But well done for feeling better than others. "
as more of a criticism than an opinion.
But perhaps I'm wrong.

I read it the same way and it's quite hypocritical because it's putting down some for responding in a certain way whilst feeling their way is clearly better ie morally superior.

Twiglets1 · 22/03/2025 13:12

VolcanoJapan · 18/03/2025 09:13

I think the hamas posturing and cheering on hostage release with many supporters showed they aren't defeated. I can understand Israel have concerns over them planning another attack after regrouping. During the ceasefire there were terrorist attacks including the failed bus bombings, timer set incorrectly. They don't show signs of wanting peace.

I don't have the answers anymore that anyone else on here does. I just have my own opinion.

I agree and think the terrible antics of Hamas on hostage release didn’t make them look defeated but victorious. They weren’t victorious really but some local people seemed to be celebrating as though they believed they were.

A lot of people on these threads seem genuinely confused why the world doesn’t condemn Netanyahu & the actions of his administration as much as they would expect.

The answer is Hamas. Most people see them as evil. If Hamas released all the hostages & stopped terrorist activities, then we would see worldwide condemnation of any continued violence from Israel.

EasterIssland · 22/03/2025 13:21

Twiglets1 · 22/03/2025 13:12

I agree and think the terrible antics of Hamas on hostage release didn’t make them look defeated but victorious. They weren’t victorious really but some local people seemed to be celebrating as though they believed they were.

A lot of people on these threads seem genuinely confused why the world doesn’t condemn Netanyahu & the actions of his administration as much as they would expect.

The answer is Hamas. Most people see them as evil. If Hamas released all the hostages & stopped terrorist activities, then we would see worldwide condemnation of any continued violence from Israel.

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can you only see one actor as the evil? Can’t you see both?