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Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/12/2024 10:43

If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

The photo is washed in grey from dust in the air. One man in a cap and face mask bends down, looking into a pile of rubble

Israel orders evacuation of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, medics say - BBC News

The hospital's nursing director says ICU patients in comas and on ventilation machines are being forced out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

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ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 22:03

Lalaloveya · 28/12/2024 21:39

The main obstacle is Israel refusing to allow these very ill and maimed children (many of whom were injured and maimed by Israel) to leave. It's disgusting and barbaric.

Exactly. It us Israel preventing even children from being evacuated for medical care.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 22:08

Dulra · 30/12/2024 10:02

Doesn't look good for him sadly

The IDF have also claimed that the hospital was a Hamas commander centre without any proof to back that up.
They never do we are meant to blindly trust them. Well you earn trust

It was probably AI that decided it was a target because it was a “command and control centre” - like every single square foot of Gaza they have bombed so far has been, according to them.

I recently contacted a company to ask if it would be possible to get a delivery before Christmas. The answer was, “I don’t know what you mean.” That is an example of AI.

GymBuffMum · 31/12/2024 22:51

ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 22:08

It was probably AI that decided it was a target because it was a “command and control centre” - like every single square foot of Gaza they have bombed so far has been, according to them.

I recently contacted a company to ask if it would be possible to get a delivery before Christmas. The answer was, “I don’t know what you mean.” That is an example of AI.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

Seems like there is were rather a lot of Hamas operatives hiding in the hospital again which is not within the bounds of credibility with their track record. Hiding like the rats they are among civilians in one of their last strongholds.

Why is the disgust not with them and lives they’ve endangered?

Patients and staff WERE evacuated.

It’s also not within the bounds of credibility that terrorists are embedded all over Gaza. It’s not like this is a new strategy and it’s quite a small, heavily populated area. Why haven’t they all given themselves up?

I wonder would anyone believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war, as opposed to a barbaric ideologist terrorist government that deliberately started that war to get as many of its own civilians killed as possible for propaganda purposes, if that country was not Israel? Really odd and I can’t understand it tbh.

Thankfully there are some of us who don’t blindly believe everything we see on SM because it suits our agenda.

Director of one of last functioning hospitals in northern Gaza detained in Israeli military raid

The Israeli military says the hospital was being used as a Hamas command centre and more than 240 terrorists were held. Meanwhile, the World Health Organization says it is "appalled" by Friday's raid.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

EasterIssland · 31/12/2024 22:59

GymBuffMum · 31/12/2024 22:51

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

Seems like there is were rather a lot of Hamas operatives hiding in the hospital again which is not within the bounds of credibility with their track record. Hiding like the rats they are among civilians in one of their last strongholds.

Why is the disgust not with them and lives they’ve endangered?

Patients and staff WERE evacuated.

It’s also not within the bounds of credibility that terrorists are embedded all over Gaza. It’s not like this is a new strategy and it’s quite a small, heavily populated area. Why haven’t they all given themselves up?

I wonder would anyone believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war, as opposed to a barbaric ideologist terrorist government that deliberately started that war to get as many of its own civilians killed as possible for propaganda purposes, if that country was not Israel? Really odd and I can’t understand it tbh.

Thankfully there are some of us who don’t blindly believe everything we see on SM because it suits our agenda.

the reason why people don’t believe idf it’s not because it’s Israeli. It’s because they’ve said too many lies and used this lies to torture and kill many innocent civilians. For many of us they’re behaving like terrorists

TheFlyingHorse · 31/12/2024 23:01

Astonishing that anyone is attempting to justify Israel's totally indefensible actions @GymBuffMum

Lalaloveya · 31/12/2024 23:32

GymBuffMum · 31/12/2024 22:51

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

Seems like there is were rather a lot of Hamas operatives hiding in the hospital again which is not within the bounds of credibility with their track record. Hiding like the rats they are among civilians in one of their last strongholds.

Why is the disgust not with them and lives they’ve endangered?

Patients and staff WERE evacuated.

It’s also not within the bounds of credibility that terrorists are embedded all over Gaza. It’s not like this is a new strategy and it’s quite a small, heavily populated area. Why haven’t they all given themselves up?

I wonder would anyone believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war, as opposed to a barbaric ideologist terrorist government that deliberately started that war to get as many of its own civilians killed as possible for propaganda purposes, if that country was not Israel? Really odd and I can’t understand it tbh.

Thankfully there are some of us who don’t blindly believe everything we see on SM because it suits our agenda.

Some of us just blindly believe what Israeli spin doctors say.

BadgerInDungarees · 01/01/2025 11:20

GymBuffMum · 31/12/2024 22:51

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

Seems like there is were rather a lot of Hamas operatives hiding in the hospital again which is not within the bounds of credibility with their track record. Hiding like the rats they are among civilians in one of their last strongholds.

Why is the disgust not with them and lives they’ve endangered?

Patients and staff WERE evacuated.

It’s also not within the bounds of credibility that terrorists are embedded all over Gaza. It’s not like this is a new strategy and it’s quite a small, heavily populated area. Why haven’t they all given themselves up?

I wonder would anyone believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war, as opposed to a barbaric ideologist terrorist government that deliberately started that war to get as many of its own civilians killed as possible for propaganda purposes, if that country was not Israel? Really odd and I can’t understand it tbh.

Thankfully there are some of us who don’t blindly believe everything we see on SM because it suits our agenda.

This is why people don't 'believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war', I hope this makes it seem less odd to you and brings more understanding your way.

An officer in Division 252's command recalls when the IDF spokesperson announced their forces had killed over 200 militants. "Standard procedure requires photographing bodies and collecting details when possible, then sending evidence to intelligence to verify militant status or at least confirm they were killed by the IDF," he explains. "Of those 200 casualties, only ten were confirmed as known Hamas operatives. Yet no one questioned the public announcement about killing hundreds of militants."

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-expose-arbitrary-killings-and-rampant-lawlessness-in-gazas-netzarim-corridor/00000193-da7f-de86-a9f3-fefff2e50000

OpheliaWasntMad · 01/01/2025 11:35

GymBuffMum · 31/12/2024 22:51

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/director-of-one-of-last-functioning-hospitals-in-northern-gaza-detained-in-israeli-military-raid-13280897

Seems like there is were rather a lot of Hamas operatives hiding in the hospital again which is not within the bounds of credibility with their track record. Hiding like the rats they are among civilians in one of their last strongholds.

Why is the disgust not with them and lives they’ve endangered?

Patients and staff WERE evacuated.

It’s also not within the bounds of credibility that terrorists are embedded all over Gaza. It’s not like this is a new strategy and it’s quite a small, heavily populated area. Why haven’t they all given themselves up?

I wonder would anyone believe what the military of an advanced and the only democratic country in the region said during a war, as opposed to a barbaric ideologist terrorist government that deliberately started that war to get as many of its own civilians killed as possible for propaganda purposes, if that country was not Israel? Really odd and I can’t understand it tbh.

Thankfully there are some of us who don’t blindly believe everything we see on SM because it suits our agenda.

There may well have been Hamas operatives in the hospital. Hamas don’t care about putting innocent Palestinians in danger. They do it deliberately.
However I can’t believe the IDF couldn’t have found a better way to deal with the situation given the terrible suffering of innocent civilians caught up in this war.
Unlike others on here - I had no problem with the targeting of pagers used by terrorists operatives .
I do have a big problem with this sort of action.
My heart bleeds for the Palestinians and the despair they must feel.

stomachamelon · 01/01/2025 15:07

@GymBuffMum

Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF
OpheliaWasntMad · 01/01/2025 15:28

stomachamelon · 01/01/2025 15:07

@GymBuffMum

That’s really good to hear

Auvergne63 · 01/01/2025 15:37

stomachamelon · 01/01/2025 15:07

@GymBuffMum

Source, please?

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:02

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/45-gazan-patients-evacuated-to-uae-for-medical-treatment/

JANUARY 1, 2025
45 Gazan patients evacuated to UAE for medical treatment

Excerpt

Among them is a 10-year-old boy, Abdullah Abu Yousef, suffering from kidney failure. He is accompanied by his sister after Israeli authorities rejected his mother’s application to join him

I think a sick 10 year old boy needs his mother with him. But at least they are allowing him to get out for treatment.

Who are they to stop a person leaving their own country?

BadgerInDungarees · 01/01/2025 16:25

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:02

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/45-gazan-patients-evacuated-to-uae-for-medical-treatment/

JANUARY 1, 2025
45 Gazan patients evacuated to UAE for medical treatment

Excerpt

Among them is a 10-year-old boy, Abdullah Abu Yousef, suffering from kidney failure. He is accompanied by his sister after Israeli authorities rejected his mother’s application to join him

I think a sick 10 year old boy needs his mother with him. But at least they are allowing him to get out for treatment.

Who are they to stop a person leaving their own country?

Who are they to stop a person leaving their own country?

I find this so difficult to understand. They aren't looking to enter Israel, what business is it of theirs? It just seems like a controlling, power trip. The same when Irish citizens wanted to evacuate at the start of the conflict, months and months looking for permission from Israel, I'm not sure everyone even got out in the end.

It's really difficult to see this from Israels pov and see it as anything other than them punishing civilians because they can.

Scirocco · 01/01/2025 16:28

There's quite a difference between 45 and 127... Or are they referring to separate instances of evacuation?

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:32

This was in October in the North of Gaza

Excerpt
GAZA CITY, Palestine
The Israeli army blocked a World Health Organization (WHO) delegation from evacuating sick children from hospitals in northern Gaza amid the worsening situation due to ongoing military operations in the area, now in their sixth day, a senior Gaza health official said Friday.

Deputy Health Minister Maher Shamiya told Anadolu: “The army turned back the WHO delegation tasked with evacuating intensive care patients and children from northern hospitals, preventing them from reaching the northern part of the Gaza Strip.”
Anadolu has been unable to obtain a comment from WHO regarding the Israeli obstruction.

highlighted that the three hospitals in northern Gaza (Al-Awda, the Indonesian Hospital, and Kamal Adwan) are currently treating 124 patients, including 13 in intensive care and eight children.

“Kamal Adwan Hospital has the largest pediatric intensive care unit in the Gaza and North Gaza governorates, and it is at risk of being shut down due to Israeli attacks,” he added.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-blocks-who-evacuation-of-sick-children-in-gaza-amid-escalating-military-operations-health-ministry/3359280

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GENEVA, 25 October 2024 – “Children are being medically evacuated from Gaza at a rate of fewer than one child per day. If this lethally slow pace continues, it would take more than seven years to evacuate the 2,500 children needing urgent medical care.

“As a result, children in Gaza are dying – not just from the bombs, bullets and shells that strike them – but because, even when “miracles happen”, even when the bombs go off and the homes collapse and the casualties mount, but the children survive, they are then prevented from leaving Gaza to receive the urgent care that would save their lives.

“This year, from 1 January to 7 May, an average of 296 children were medically evacuated each month. Since the Rafah crossing closed on 7 May due to the ground offensive there, the number of children medically evacuated has collapsed to just 22 per month.

“That is, just 127 children – many suffering from head trauma, amputations, burns, cancer, and severe malnutrition – have been allowed to leave since Rafah closed.

“One of the many tragedies of Gaza is that appalling figures have failed to stir those with power to act. Please then allow me to share with you a few of the children whose futures are bound by these crushing constraints. These are, sadly, by no means unique.

“Mazyona. She’s 12. When two rockets struck her home, she was thought dead. Mazyona had no pulse. Both her siblings, Hala, 13 and Mohamed, 10, were killed.
“Mazyona sustained devastating injuries to her face—her face was nearly torn off. Surgeons have held the remaining structure together, but she urgently requires a medevac for specialized care and bone surgery. Mazyona also still has shrapnel in her neck. She is of course in immense pain, and her condition is worsening. The platinum surgically used to rebuild her face is coming out, and doctors have stated that she needs surgeries outside of Gaza to save her life. Mazyona has been denied medical evacuation four times. Authorities suggested that the medevac could proceed without Mazyona’s mother accompanying her. However, when her father attempted to take the next steps, Mazyona was again denied.
https://www.unicef.org.uk/press-releases/dying-in-waiting-gazas-children-face-lethal-delays-in-medical-evacuation/

Mazyouna’s face was ‘ripped off’ when a rocket hit her home. Israel has refused to allow her evacuation

The 12-year-old is one of 2,500 children in Gaza that need to be evacuated urgently yet humanitarian agencies say few are being allowed to leave by the Israeli authorities
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/nov/15/gaza-war-children-humanitarian-aid-mazyouna-israel-refuses-medical-evacuation

Last July
Netanyahu said to freeze plan to send sick Gazan children abroad after Golan attack
July 2024, 9:22 pm
Excerpt
A plan to send some 150 sick Gazan children abroad to receive medical treatment was postponed in the wake of the deadly Hezbollah strike on the Golan that killed 12 kids and teens, the Kan public broadcaster reported on Sunday.

The report said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who earlier this month vetoed Defense Minister Yoav Gallant’s decision to treat the children at a field hospitalnear the Israel-Gaza border, has now ordered the move frozen for the time being.

Hezbollah in Lebanon has been attacking Israel since the day after the October 7 onslaught by Hamas-led terrorists from Gaza, saying it was acting in solidarity with the Palestinians.

The Kan report said the kids had been prepared to be flown out on Monday afternoon from the Ramon airbase to the United Arab Emirates.

There was no immediate comment from Netanyahu’s office.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-to-freeze-plan-to-send-sick-gazan-children-abroad-after-golan-attack/

Haaretz (headline)
Netanyahu Delays Evacuation of Sick, Wounded Children From Gaza to UAE After Golan Attack

Israel had initially agreed to facilitate the medical evacuation of hundreds of sick and wounded children from Gaza for treatment in the UAE. Physicians for Human Rights-Israel called the decision 'a cruel game by the Israeli government with children's lives'

Children in Gaza who need medical care are not being allowed to evacuate, say aid groups
AUGUST 31, 202411
Excerpt
BEIRUT — Ahmed Hammad is a 4-year-old boy with a pacemaker that is just days away from stopping. But so far even the weight of U.S. pressure has not resulted in Israel agreeing to allow his mother to take him for treatment outside Gaza.

His case is one of hundreds where children languish on Israeli military waiting lists for evacuation, according to NPR's interviews with officials from four non-governmental medical aid groups operating in Gaza that are directly involved in evacuating children. The groups report that nine children on these waiting lists have died recently.

Speaking to NPR over the last three weeks, representatives of these groups say they are grappling with what they describe as an inefficient and opaque Israeli military bureaucracy governed by political considerations.

Over the past month, NPR has made four requests to Israeli officials for comments on the evacuation issue and specifically on Ahmed Hammad's case. There has been no response from the military department that deals with border crossings — Coordination for Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) — nor from the Israeli prime minister's office.
www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/08/31/g-s1-20287/children-in-gaza-who-need-medical-care-are-not-being-allowed-to-evacuate-say-aid-groups

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:33

Scirocco · 01/01/2025 16:28

There's quite a difference between 45 and 127... Or are they referring to separate instances of evacuation?

I am not sure but think some of the quoted greater number may include people allowed to accompany the patient.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:39

ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 16:33

I am not sure but think some of the quoted greater number may include people allowed to accompany the patient.

For example as in this account:

UAE evacuates 127 injured people, patients, family members from Gaza
01 January, 2025 05:02 am IST
Abu Dhabi (UAE), January 1 (ANI/WAM): The United Arab Emirates conducted the 23rd evacuation flight on Tuesday (local time), in cooperation with the World Health Organisation (WHO), as part of a humanitarian initiative to evacuate 55 critically wounded people and patients from the Gaza Strip – including children and cancer patients in need of extensive treatment – from Ramon airport in Israel, via Karam Abu Salam crossing, to receive medical treatment in the country’s hospitals, accompanied by 72 family members.
theprint.in/world/uae-evacuates-127-injured-people-patients-family-members-from-gaza/2426489/

Scirocco · 01/01/2025 16:49

Thanks.

stomachamelon · 01/01/2025 17:06

@Scirocco I have asked the source of the quote to confirm that and exactly how many patients/ escorts there is.

Dulra · 01/01/2025 17:41

BadgerInDungarees · 01/01/2025 16:25

Who are they to stop a person leaving their own country?

I find this so difficult to understand. They aren't looking to enter Israel, what business is it of theirs? It just seems like a controlling, power trip. The same when Irish citizens wanted to evacuate at the start of the conflict, months and months looking for permission from Israel, I'm not sure everyone even got out in the end.

It's really difficult to see this from Israels pov and see it as anything other than them punishing civilians because they can.

I find this so difficult to understand. They aren't looking to enter Israel, what business is it of theirs?
Because it is an occupied territory. Israel control what goes in and what comes out, goods and people. Something many people won't admit or acknowledge.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 01/01/2025 18:02

stomachamelon · 01/01/2025 17:06

@Scirocco I have asked the source of the quote to confirm that and exactly how many patients/ escorts there is.

I wasn't the source but the stories following confirm s number of people leaving.

Whatsinanamehey · 01/01/2025 18:05

This is the mother of a 10 year old boy who has a kidney illness. The mother was barred by Israel from evacuating with her sick child, they appealed the case so she can go with him and it was rejected again.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DESBmBftDUn/?igsh=MW0xYjE4NWRsbXRoZQ==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DESBmBftDUn?igsh=MW0xYjE4NWRsbXRoZQ%3D%3D

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ScrollingLeaves · 01/01/2025 18:11

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 01/01/2025 18:02

I wasn't the source but the stories following confirm s number of people leaving.

^The 45 patients left the European Hospital in the southern city of Khan Younis early Tuesday and traveled through the Kerem Shalom Crossing into Israel, Palestinian health officials said. They will receive treatment in the United Arab Emirates.
Among them was a 10-year-old boy, Abdullah Abu Yousef, suffering from kidney failure. He was accompanied by his sister after the Israeli authorities rejected his mother’s application to join him. Israel says it screens escorts for security.^