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Conflict in the Middle East

Hezbollah supporters

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OctoberOctopus · 27/11/2024 22:21

You hear posters say that the population of a country doesn't necessarily support the terrorist groups. They are not involved etc. Seems an incorrect statement.

Then you see a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Hundreds and hundreds of people retuning to homes waving Hezbollah flags claiming victory over Israel and victory for the resistance. They haven't suddenly decided to support terrorists, they did all along.

Israel were at war with Hamas. Hezbollah just after the hamas attack of October 7th launched missiles into Israel to support hamas. One terrorist organisation supporting another whilst the people support them.

Over a year later finally a ceasefire. So the people of Lebanon, a country not occupied support their terrorist organisation Hezbollah with their 'resistance'. They are cheering a victory. Really deluded people. How can there be peace whilst they support terrorists. Their own government don't appear to run the show there and until Israel hit the Hezbollah leadership were weak with Hezbollah doing what they want.

Makes me realise more why many support Israel against people that cheer on terrorists.

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OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:37

AzurePanda · 29/11/2024 09:26

I’n so bored of pretending that these terrorist organisations don’t enjoy considerable support from local populations.

This.

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SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:39

LetThereBeLove · 29/11/2024 09:30

I never said it would be easy but there is little hope for Lebanon unless it can gather support to rid themselves of terrorists who can only harm their country even more than it has already done.

Well exactly. The low expectations from the west of people in middle east is so depressing. Don't the Palestinians & Lebanese deserve better than their current terrorist leaders?

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:39

LetThereBeLove · 29/11/2024 09:18

Lebanon should take a leaf out of Jordan's book. The Hashemites got rid of the PLO years ago. Lebanon should see the writing on the wall and rid their country of Hezbollah permanently.

I agree. Different countries made different choices. Jordan didn't support the terrorists or their followers and The Lebanon did. Jordan made the correct choice in my opinion expelling people that would take them down with them.

Be more Jordan

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OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:40

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:39

Well exactly. The low expectations from the west of people in middle east is so depressing. Don't the Palestinians & Lebanese deserve better than their current terrorist leaders?

They do.

I agree such low expectations.

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Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 09:41

I imagine that are rejoicing in the fact that they aren't going to be bombed and their kids won't be blown up or shot this week. They might starve to death and nor have access to clear drinking water but at least the won't be blown up.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:42

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 09:41

I imagine that are rejoicing in the fact that they aren't going to be bombed and their kids won't be blown up or shot this week. They might starve to death and nor have access to clear drinking water but at least the won't be blown up.

You don't need to imagine, you can watch the footage and listen to the interviews of people holding up pictures of Nasrallah, praising Hezbollah etc.

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:43

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:39

Well exactly. The low expectations from the west of people in middle east is so depressing. Don't the Palestinians & Lebanese deserve better than their current terrorist leaders?

The low expectations from the west of people in middle east
What rubbish. It has nothing to do with low expectations. It is all to do who the West is propping up and who they aren't.

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:44

LetThereBeLove · 29/11/2024 08:57

Indeed. It doesn't take much searching to find people in the west clapping the terrorists on after 7th October.

"The Metropolitan police have said they have increased patrols in London after receiving reports of people celebrating the attack on Israel by Hamas." There were plenty of pictures posted at the time of the celebrations.

Hundreds die and hostages held as Hamas assault shocks Israel

Netanyahu declares war as at least 250 Israelis are killed; more than 230 Palestinians die in airstrikes launched in response

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/israel-strikes-back-after-massive-palestinian-attack

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Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:45

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:42

You don't need to imagine, you can watch the footage and listen to the interviews of people holding up pictures of Nasrallah, praising Hezbollah etc.

As I said in my very first post on this thread

It is also very hard to know how much actual support there is for Hezbollah from pictures of waving flags on a tv screen. That is not an accurate reflection on everyone's views.

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:46

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:36

Sorry, you've lost me. There are endless threads and posts criticising Israel. But Hezbollah is a recognised terrorist organisation those chose to unilaterally start attacking Israel & Israeli citizens in solidarity with Hamas's outrageous & illegal attack on Israeli civilians. That was their stated intention. Of course there is history but yes there is a lot of focus on Hezbollah's decision to do that.

Indeed. This thread is about people in Lebanon supporting terrorists. There are plenty of threads about Israel. Each thread tries to have a different topic.

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SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:46

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:43

The low expectations from the west of people in middle east
What rubbish. It has nothing to do with low expectations. It is all to do who the West is propping up and who they aren't.

But it is low expectations if you think people can only be pawns of the super powers, or the terrorists, and have no agency to follow their nation's self determination and pursue democracy & human rights. If that is the case and we have to just accept that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:49

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:33

Who should support them to get rid of Hezbollah? Not every country enjoys the unconditional military support from nations such as the US. It also doesn't address the real concern of further destablising the region.

Supporting terrorists destabilises the entire region. Its resulted in the latest war with Israel. If they regroup and fire missiles into Israel then it will eventually lead to another. Is that really what people want for their children there. It's their choice.

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OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:52

LetThereBeLove · 29/11/2024 09:30

I never said it would be easy but there is little hope for Lebanon unless it can gather support to rid themselves of terrorists who can only harm their country even more than it has already done.

Exactly.

Now that hezbollah have lost lots of the leadership maybe the government of Lebanon can take control and find a better way forward, like Jordan and Egypt did? It's possible. Jordan and Egypt seem to realise that. Shame if Lebanon doesn't.

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Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:52

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:46

But it is low expectations if you think people can only be pawns of the super powers, or the terrorists, and have no agency to follow their nation's self determination and pursue democracy & human rights. If that is the case and we have to just accept that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

When did I say that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

I am merely pointing out that suggestion by a poster that Lebanon can overthrow Hezbollah is not easy and is not only in the hands of the Lebanese to be able to do. How can you overthrow an organsiation that has greater military might then you do? It cannot be done without international commitment and support. Just like Israel can not maintain the iron dome without international commitment and support, but apparently that suggestion meant I had low expectations of people in the middle east.
This ceasefire is just papering over cracks until tensions ignite and it kicks off again. There does not seem to be any international political will to sort it out properly

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:53

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:49

Supporting terrorists destabilises the entire region. Its resulted in the latest war with Israel. If they regroup and fire missiles into Israel then it will eventually lead to another. Is that really what people want for their children there. It's their choice.

I said destabilise the region further. I am not saying it shouldn't happen I am saying it has risks

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:54

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:52

When did I say that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

I am merely pointing out that suggestion by a poster that Lebanon can overthrow Hezbollah is not easy and is not only in the hands of the Lebanese to be able to do. How can you overthrow an organsiation that has greater military might then you do? It cannot be done without international commitment and support. Just like Israel can not maintain the iron dome without international commitment and support, but apparently that suggestion meant I had low expectations of people in the middle east.
This ceasefire is just papering over cracks until tensions ignite and it kicks off again. There does not seem to be any international political will to sort it out properly

If they tried to follow the route Jordan and Egypt took they'd get plenty of support. They won't get support from many if they continue down the route of supporting hezbollah.

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OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:56

Well enough from me. Its in the hands of the Lebanese government and its people to find a better way. Think of their children and future generations. Peace not endless hatred.

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SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 10:02

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 09:54

If they tried to follow the route Jordan and Egypt took they'd get plenty of support. They won't get support from many if they continue down the route of supporting hezbollah.

This. The Palestinians and Lebanese would get more support (& they already get quite a bit) if they stopped supporting regional & international terrorism.

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:02

I think people will support whatever/ whoever means that they aren't hoping to die this week.

I dont believe everything I see on TV. I also don't believe what I watch on the news because its bias.

I also recognise that nothing is ever simple. We don't know how not waving a flag around will impact them. What they may face.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 10:04

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:02

I think people will support whatever/ whoever means that they aren't hoping to die this week.

I dont believe everything I see on TV. I also don't believe what I watch on the news because its bias.

I also recognise that nothing is ever simple. We don't know how not waving a flag around will impact them. What they may face.

And this is what I mean about low expectations. People are capable of thinking ahead more than a few days and understanding the complexity of their situation.

Dulra · 29/11/2024 10:05

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 10:02

This. The Palestinians and Lebanese would get more support (& they already get quite a bit) if they stopped supporting regional & international terrorism.

Ah yes easy. I also wish the Israelis would also stop supporting a government with war criminals but it hasn't seemed to damage their international support

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:06

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:02

I think people will support whatever/ whoever means that they aren't hoping to die this week.

I dont believe everything I see on TV. I also don't believe what I watch on the news because its bias.

I also recognise that nothing is ever simple. We don't know how not waving a flag around will impact them. What they may face.

Supporting Hezbollah mean they are more likely to die, not less likely. Hezbollah isn't the way to safety, quite the opposite, fire missiles at Israel for 14 months and then get a war where lots die. Not attacking Israel means a chance of peace and less die.

Again I direct you to the choice made by Jordan and Egypt. Less death and destruction when you don't support terrorist organisation to continue the hatred.

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OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:11

Dulra · 29/11/2024 10:05

Ah yes easy. I also wish the Israelis would also stop supporting a government with war criminals but it hasn't seemed to damage their international support

Because they put up lots of defence, ignoring attacks and missiles for months, 14 months, from hezbollah before they finally say ok enough and then launch a war. If hezbollah stopped they could end up in Lebanon like Jordan and Egypt having peace with Israel.

Again as much as you dislike it, this thread is about people supporting terrorist organisation Hezbollah. They could make a different choice.

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Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:14

I am not walking in there shoes. I dont know the dangers or threats they face from the people in power. I also willnt suffer the consequences. I dont judge people who are starving, trumatised and desperate while I'm sitting in my central heated house, eating my breakfast, watching my TV, whilst having access to education, health care, and transport.

quantumbutterfly · 29/11/2024 10:15

Auvergne63 · 29/11/2024 09:00

Get your facts right.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/sabra-shatila-massacre/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/a-preventable-massacre.html
It is worth mentioning that Sharon was found to be responsible for the massacres by the Kahan commission and lost his post in the Israeli cabinet, but remained in it. Of course, he went on to become prime minister.
He died without facing justice for his role in the massacres.

I read your links, did you?

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