Hezbollah supporters

[OctoberOctopus]

You hear posters say that the population of a country doesn't necessarily support the terrorist groups. They are not involved etc. Seems an incorrect statement.

Then you see a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Hundreds and hundreds of people retuning to homes waving Hezbollah flags claiming victory over Israel and victory for the resistance. They haven't suddenly decided to support terrorists, they did all along.

Israel were at war with Hamas. Hezbollah just after the hamas attack of October 7th launched missiles into Israel to support hamas. One terrorist organisation supporting another whilst the people support them.

Over a year later finally a ceasefire. So the people of Lebanon, a country not occupied support their terrorist organisation Hezbollah with their 'resistance'. They are cheering a victory. Really deluded people. How can there be peace whilst they support terrorists. Their own government don't appear to run the show there and until Israel hit the Hezbollah leadership were weak with Hezbollah doing what they want.

Makes me realise more why many support Israel against people that cheer on terrorists.

Because history is so objective....

@Wigglywoowho quite right, I'm not convinced by some of the faux concern for Lebanese children on this thread. It's just used to mask the hatred for the Lebanese.

So, just to be clear - who are you saying hates the Lebanese?

Fully agree, it also fails to acknowledge how great regime change has worked for the local populations in the region in the last 100 years. Answer not well at all, millions dead and displaced in the region by groups often armed and trained by the "civilised West".

Face facts Lebanon is not going to follow the Jordan or the Egypt route. Those countries are viewed by many in the region (and increasingly across the World) as being puppet states/collaborators with America/Israel.

It's only in the West (usually based on reports written by highly paid Think Tanks) that they believe that shock and awe bombing of civilians can get them to voluntarily change their rulers. It's a very "colonialist" way of thinking, "do as we say and we'll reward you".
It doesn't work, the only way to get rid of Hezbollah is to get rid of it's reason to exist and considering that it was borne out of an Israeli invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon that will be difficult.

Being under occupation literally does strip you of your agency. Perhaps if Israel stopped blakading and occupying and didn't fund and prop up terrorists the situation may be different. Lecturing an occupied people currently being bombed to death by their US mega funded occupiers about pursuing democracy and human rights while they're displaced and starving is in pretty bad taste.

So what exactly is the mechanism for getting rid of Hezbollah's reason to exist?

I agree. It's a strange post considering the ICJ ruling that found that Israel are denying Palestinians the right to self determination, that they are denying them human rights.

Like many people have been saying for years if Israel gives Palestinians their rights to self determination then maybe they will move towards being governed by someone other than Hamas. It's like there is a big mental block in some people's thinking when it comes to the role of Israel in all of this.

@MothToAnInferno this is a thread about people supporting Hezbollah

The low expectations from the west of people in middle east is so depressing. Don't the Palestinians & Lebanese deserve better than their current terrorist leaders?

So why did you bring Palestinians into it? Your earlier quote above

The majority of whom?

would NOT want terrorists organisations to be defeated

Right now at this moment, there is no mechanism. The current ceasefire (actually a 60 day understanding/agreement to move towards a ceasefire) has already been breached by the IDF multiple times.

The IDF failed to defeat them military and suffered some of their largest losses of personnel (deaths and life changing casualties) ever.

Israel still occupies the Shebaa Farms which Hezbollah has vowed to liberate.
There are further disputes over water rights as well.

Diplomatically, Western countries cannot be trusted as they are seen as always acting in Israel's interest.

The memory of Sabra massacre is fresh for the Lebanese:
"The PLO left Beirut on August 30 and then the U.S. suddenly pulled its troops. They boarded their ships two weeks early! The French and Italians quit, too. Reagan left the Palestinian women and children to the mercies of the Ariel Sharon and the so-called Lebanese government, which was controlled by a “Christian” Palestinian-hating militia called the Phalange."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/09/21/reagan-and-the-killing-fields-of-lebanon/
Also added is the Qana massacre where civilians sheltering in a UN building were killed.

So it's an incredibly sad situation, the IDFs disproportionate targetting of civilians in Lebanon, Palestine and increasingly Syria is an excuse for Hezbollahs continued existence.

If that is the case and we have to just accept that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

Your words on your post about self determination.

@BelleHathor There are further disputes over water rights as well.

This is a much bigger issue than Israel generally recognized (and not just in the ME). Israel have been draining the regions aquifers years.

Absolutely, Egypt is currently in a dispute over water rights with Ethiopia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66771155

Also part of the reason that Jordan is so "quiet" is because of their agreements with Israel again to do with water.

It's fascinating to look at Maps of the region and how the location of resources/ commodities often overlap with current conflicts.

I haven't replied unless to the thread topic Hezbollah supporters thread discussion.

It appears people are unable to comment on thread point without randomly trying to change the subject. There are separate threads discussing different things. I realise some will always bring back to other topics but then the threads all blend into a mishmas of the same hence having a thread topic point

And to @MothToAnInferno
Because the issue is essentially the same. I think Palestinians and Lebanese deserve better leaders than the dictatorial, extremist terrorists that govern them, or in Lebanon's case exert undue influence. This would only derail the thread & take us off on a tangent if you didn't believe Palestinians deserved better leaders. We are always assured that noone supports Hamas here so I didn't think it was controversial. Bringing up other issues does take us away from the topic. But please feel free to completely ignore my comment about the Palestinians if it helps you to stay on topic

Your post was just fundamentally wrong nothing to do with it being controversial or any posters supporting terrorists. Palestinians don't have self determination as was decided in court. I'm sure you would agree that we should correct misinformation when we see it.

Oh dear. You really are missing the point. Or, in a funny way, proving the point I was making. Anyways....

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy of reminding another poster that the thread is about Hezbollah. I have no issue with your post including Palestinians was just unsure why you needed to remind someone else to stay on topic.

I've literally explained the difference between my mention of Hezbollah & Hamas being the same issue in this context compared to the other poster introducing all sorts of new issues relating to Israel & Gaza, which would lead to derail & rehashing of discussions on other threads, taking us off topic. As I said ignore my comment, rather than making IT the subject of this thread. Its almost is if you don't want to address the op's points 🤔

Its almost is if you don't want to address the op's points 🤔
Is it? Or did I address them pages ago....

And this is the fundamental problem...there are too many extremists right now in both Gaza and Lebanon to even think about a 2 state solutions between "Palestine" and Israel. There needs to be de-radicalisation of the whole population of Gaza before a 2 state solution would work...that will take many years and can happen but it will not be a quick process.

Hear hear @OctoberOctopus and @Dariamar . Couldn’t agree with you more.

Many on these threads see Israel as 'bad' yet excuse the innocent people of Lebanon who clearly support hezbollah

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