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Conflict in the Middle East

Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:24

I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted but Ireland passed a non binding motion a few days ago that “genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/micheal-martin-ireland-south-africa-gaza-people-b1192666.html

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Lalaloveya · 11/11/2024 13:36

It's always interesting how triggered some pro-Israeli posters get whenever Ireland supporting Palestine is mentioned 🤔

I'm not going to even bother to address the absolutely bonkers and false posts on here because there's no point. They're so off the wall they're almost funny.

username7891 · 11/11/2024 13:39

Lalaloveya · 11/11/2024 13:36

It's always interesting how triggered some pro-Israeli posters get whenever Ireland supporting Palestine is mentioned 🤔

I'm not going to even bother to address the absolutely bonkers and false posts on here because there's no point. They're so off the wall they're almost funny.

I'm not sure why posters engage to be honest.

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JaneJeffer · 11/11/2024 13:44
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Usernamesareboring1 · 11/11/2024 13:46

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SimpleThings101 · 11/11/2024 13:52

Purspectiveplease · 10/11/2024 19:18

I feel like I'm reasonably well versed on the history thanks. Since its independence, Ireland has done several profoundly anti semitic things, so it's reasonable to conclude that there’s at least some antisemitic tendencies baked into the culture. If you could see past that, you would see that Ireland has more in common with Israel than Palestine and probably also realise how stupid your response here was.

Agree 100%

emmajane92 · 11/11/2024 13:54

Ireland are right... Genocide IS being committed.

SimpleThings101 · 11/11/2024 13:55

Purspectiveplease · 10/11/2024 15:07

I do not understand why Irish people see themselves in Palestinians. Palestine is an outpost of a caliphate which violently expelled the majority of the indigenous people. The Arab conquests and the massive Arabic speaking, Muslim empire they created is much more analogous to the British Empire than to Ireland. The Israeli fight for independence is more similar to the Irish struggle for independence. Many British people who had lived in Ireland for 800 years were expelled from their homes and Irish people don't seem to advocate returning them, even if they still own their keys. But somehow they deny Israel the right to independence that they enjoy. Maybe it’s poor history education, maybe it’s the echo of old Catholic antisemitism or maybe it’s just plain old modern antisemitism.

Very well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

GhostCicada · 11/11/2024 14:00

SimpleThings101 · 11/11/2024 13:55

Very well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Is it? Maybe you can explain how Ireland is 'denying Israel the right to independence'? I know our government can be sneaky wee bastards but they've hidden that well, do you think we will ever give Israel back their independence, maybe we should have a referendum about it 🤔

JaneJeffer · 11/11/2024 14:03

Don't you just love it when someone's username really suits them?

Usernamesareboring1 · 11/11/2024 14:04

GhostCicada · 11/11/2024 14:00

Is it? Maybe you can explain how Ireland is 'denying Israel the right to independence'? I know our government can be sneaky wee bastards but they've hidden that well, do you think we will ever give Israel back their independence, maybe we should have a referendum about it 🤔

While they're at that maybe they can tell us who exactly Israel is fighting for Independence from? 😂Or @Purspectiveplease

Dulra · 11/11/2024 14:05

GhostCicada · 11/11/2024 14:00

Is it? Maybe you can explain how Ireland is 'denying Israel the right to independence'? I know our government can be sneaky wee bastards but they've hidden that well, do you think we will ever give Israel back their independence, maybe we should have a referendum about it 🤔

Also still waiting to hear how we expelled the British from their homes in Ireland, no idea how that was missing from the history curriculum

MummytoE · 11/11/2024 14:05

Good for Ireland

Dulra · 11/11/2024 14:13

Usou · 11/11/2024 13:27

I live in Ireland and am baffled by why people consider themselves akin to the Palestinians. They aren't - the average Gazan would consider Irish people to be pork eating infidels.

I think there are a number of reasons: an Israeli/Jewish perspective or historical background is never presented - particularly by RTE, which issues reports by Hamas' "Health Ministry" verbatim - forgetting their usual obsession with fact checking. People are never told about the thousands of Jewish communities from Morocco to Tajikistan that have perished under Ottoman and other Arab/Muslim expansion, and that Israel is the only remaining territory in which Jews have a chance of defending themselves.

The Israelis are a convenient fit for the need for a baddy among the virtue signallers that fill the major political parties - as long as nobody looks too deep.

Casualty numbers are substantial - as Hamas knew they would be, but there is no genocide. There would have been had Hamas not been stopped on October 7th. Hamas would slaughter until no Jews remain as per their stated objectives. The Israelis have no such goal, but are continually forced to react defensively.

The media in Ireland is full of the heroics of their battalion of UN peacekeepers - there to monitor the peace. As far as I can gather, they have been sitting and watching Hezbollah missiles flying overhead from Lebanon into Israel for a good number of years now.

You live in Ireland but seem to only quote rte as a news source? You do know we have access to multiple Irish, British and international news channels on TV, in print and online.

People are never told about the thousands of Jewish communities from Morocco to Tajikistan that have perished under Ottoman and other Arab/Muslim expansion, and that Israel is the only remaining territory in which Jews have a chance of defending themselves.
Are we not told? Are people from other countries told? Are we that passive that unless information is on RTE we have no other means of informing ourselves.

The media in Ireland is full of the heroics of their battalion of UN peacekeepers - there to monitor the peace. As far as I can gather, they have been sitting and watching Hezbollah missiles flying overhead from Lebanon into Israel for a good number of years now.
As far as you are aware ... You're aware of pretty little really.
Yes the media in Ireland support their peace keeping troops abroad that is hardly unusual most countries support their troops.

Edited to add
Gazans may consider us pork eating infidels (not seen anything to suggest they do) but what they think of us is not relevant to their situation and why we want to support them.

GhostCicada · 11/11/2024 14:17

Dulra · 11/11/2024 14:05

Also still waiting to hear how we expelled the British from their homes in Ireland, no idea how that was missing from the history curriculum

Who knows but it sounds like maybe Israel are next? First we take their independence, then their homes, maybe this is Fianna Gaels solution to the housing crisis. Could be a popular move, Ireland in the sun.

Liv999 · 11/11/2024 15:09

Dulra · 11/11/2024 14:05

Also still waiting to hear how we expelled the British from their homes in Ireland, no idea how that was missing from the history curriculum

Indeed, so many questions left unanswered..🤔

Auvergne63 · 11/11/2024 19:03

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People's revised and made up history on this thread
On every single thread.
I am glad that Ireland have declared it a genocide. I wish France did the same.

Auvergne63 · 11/11/2024 19:13

Limesodaagain · 10/11/2024 22:01

Ive just come back from seeing Small Things Like These . Excellent film and book . Ireland and the Catholic Church has made a lot of mistakes - as have all countries and all religions . No country or religion ( and by that I mean the human representatives of the country or religion) is purely good or bad . The important thing is to be honest and open about the mistakes of the past.

France committed atrocities. The Algerian war of independence, being an example.
My father was conscripted at the age of 20 to fight against Algerians. What he saw haunted him for the rest of his life. He developed PTSD, which wasn't recognised, let alone treated, at the time.
The French tortured and killed with impunity. Le Pen was one of them.
It is shameful that Macron and his predecessors has refused to apologise for these atrocities.

Kindatired · 11/11/2024 19:21

As far as I can gather, they have been sitting and watching Hezbollah missiles flying overhead from Lebanon into Israel for a good number of years now.
@Usou The term peacekeeping is misleading. Their mission is to observe and they are not sanctioned to intervene. If they were authorised to intervene they would. That would be peace enforcement. Our soldiers are putting their lives on the line for peace for other people’s children’s future. It’s really insulting to them and to those of us who have friends and family who serve, those of us who live in garrisson towns and most of all to the families of those killed in the Lebanon over the years.

GhostCicada · 11/11/2024 19:45

Kindatired · 11/11/2024 19:21

As far as I can gather, they have been sitting and watching Hezbollah missiles flying overhead from Lebanon into Israel for a good number of years now.
@Usou The term peacekeeping is misleading. Their mission is to observe and they are not sanctioned to intervene. If they were authorised to intervene they would. That would be peace enforcement. Our soldiers are putting their lives on the line for peace for other people’s children’s future. It’s really insulting to them and to those of us who have friends and family who serve, those of us who live in garrisson towns and most of all to the families of those killed in the Lebanon over the years.

What I find interesting is that nobody seems bothered that UNIFIL also 'sit and watch' Israels 1000s of breaches of the blue line. If UNIFIL started actively protecting the blue line from
Israel instead of just monitoring there would be howls of indignation. It's just another of the double standards that apply to Israel.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/11/2024 20:36

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:44

Suspending the airspace involves running into a diplomatic crisis with America as well as Shannon is a very important refueling stop for them. I think with the new President Elect this could be very contentious.

The Bill only stops trade with the Occupied Territories in the West Bank not the whole of Israel I think.

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It’s not hugely important.

  1. The US have RAF bases they have leased in the U.K. and can fly over NI to Wales and then England.
  2. They can refuel in the air, almost anywhere.
username7891 · 11/11/2024 20:41

LoremIpsumCici · 11/11/2024 20:36

It’s not hugely important.

  1. The US have RAF bases they have leased in the U.K. and can fly over NI to Wales and then England.
  2. They can refuel in the air, almost anywhere.

It will be interesting to see if Biden does anything regarding his letter on humanitarian aid from a few weeks ago. I read today that there's even less getting in now.

It will also be interesting to see how Trump approaches the situation.

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Dulra · 11/11/2024 20:51

username7891 · 11/11/2024 20:41

It will be interesting to see if Biden does anything regarding his letter on humanitarian aid from a few weeks ago. I read today that there's even less getting in now.

It will also be interesting to see how Trump approaches the situation.

Saw this on haaretz. Haven't seen it anywhere else though

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel. The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz. The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza. Hezbollah fired over 185 rockets at Haifa and northern Israel on Monday.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/11/2024 20:58

I personally think Biden will do nothing but another letter. It will likely be in the form of a progress report and they will tell the world that Israel, while falling short has ‘improved’ ever so slightly on a few measures and so the US is happy with the ‘trajectory’ and still thinks a ‘negotiated solution’ is the best way to end the war. That’s my guess.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/11/2024 21:06

Dulra · 11/11/2024 20:51

Saw this on haaretz. Haven't seen it anywhere else though

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel. The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz. The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza. Hezbollah fired over 185 rockets at Haifa and northern Israel on Monday.

I was not quite clear who is extorting the protection money from whom? The IDF from the armed Palestinians? Can anyone tell what is meant here, please?

username7891 · 11/11/2024 21:19

Dulra · 11/11/2024 20:51

Saw this on haaretz. Haven't seen it anywhere else though

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel. The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz. The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza. Hezbollah fired over 185 rockets at Haifa and northern Israel on Monday.

That's very interesting, thank you.

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