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[EricInk]

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

Jesus Christ have we really reached the point of defending damage to people's property and attack taxi drivers and chant anti-arab songs . Why can't you just condemn violence and racism on both sides?

@Lolapusht would you also have no problem with football hoolgans climbing buildings with an Israeli/Jewish population to tear down Israeli flags? Or walking through chanting "Fuck Israel" , smashing car windows of taxi drivers they perceived to be Israeli or Jewish? Is that behaviour people should accept and "get over"?

We’ve had all of that already.

all of you pretending this happened because they were innocent Israelis when it’s not. This happened because they’re hooligans like hooligans from any other country causing problems in the name of football. If they had been thug Spaniards the same thing would have happened. The problem here , for me , it’s not antisemitism, it’s hooligans

Absolutely this. The media reporting of it is shameful. Now I saw a person in a canal in the dark and unlike what normally happens, when people tell them which direction to swim to the ladder etc I didn't hear any of that in the small clip. An insult was shouted instead. It's not ok.

AT THE SAME TIME the videos of Israelis/Zionists singing that there are no children in Palestine because they've killed them all, that's not reported. Not even the mass disruption in the stadium during the minute silence for the victims in Spain is reported. The Israeli supporters en masse were shouting and whistling all through it (because Spain supports Palestine and has criticised Israel's genocide). Again, deeply insulting to humanity but also the families of the Dutch victims. In no way were the Israeli supporters just going about their time, being friendly to locals and here for their love of football.

The BBC forgot Muslim man who was told by police not to enter the centre of his city because they couldn't guarantee his safety, from the Israelis, during the day on Thursday.

The attack in the man wearing the kuffeyiah in central Amsterdam on Wednesday. Not reported.

As for the guy saying he's not Jewish, he was with the Israeli supporters. Being Jewish isn't the issue, it's supporting Israel. Zionists are Jewish, but not all Jewish people are Zionist and Zionists are also Christian. Do I agree with anybody being attacked, no, I'm a pacifist. I DO however, expect "unbiased" to mean that and the BBC reporting on it is SOO far from that, it's unreal.

You know, it's almost like there was a situation set up that needed a breath of wind and the dominoes would knock themselves down en route to a negative news story about Muslims. Nobody needs to tell the BBC how to report, it's inherently biased. Same with Dutch news. And the Dutch parliament. Give it a year and the Dutch will have the same rule about pledging allegiance to Israel for newcomers that Germany is bringing in.

And what did you think of it? Did you tell them to get over it and it's typical behaviour? Or you saw it as violent racism that should be condemned?

@Usernamesareboring1 I do absolutely condemn violence and racism, regardless of where it comes from.

You’ve got an interesting take on what I wrote. Do I think that taking down a flag requires vehement condemnation? Not really. The chanting of anti-Arab songs? Vile songs are regularly chanted at football games. Do I think singing about gassing Jews at a football is acceptable? I do not. Do I think singing about someone’ wife in completely vile terms is acceptable? I do not. Do I think anti-Arab songs are acceptable? I do not. All of that is one reason I don’t go to football matches.

The attack on the taxi driver has just been mentioned on the news and I absolutely condemn that.

There was a mix of things that happened last night. Regular, distasteful football stuff and then there was the organised attacks on people perceived as Jewish. It’s the latter that you seem to be ignoring.

Instead of getting irate at my apparent lack of balance in condemning violence and racism, can you condemn the organised anti-Jewish/Israeli violence that took place after the match last night?

I said people should “get over’ a flag being taken down.

That is a different thing to all of the things you mentioned.

You are conflating issues and reading things into what I wrote.

You were just accusing people condemning these acts of perpetuating the "good Jew" myth which is why I responded to your post.as.youre suggesting we can't call out Israeli football fans being violent and racist less we perpetuate that myth. I clearly stated in my response to you that violence and racism is wrong on both sides.

Why exactly should taking down the flag which is displayed on someone's private property because something that should be dismissed? Particularly when those same people are shouting "Fuck Palestine" and "Finish the Arabs"
If someone climbed up to remove an Israeli flag from a Jewish person's property I wouldn't dismiss that especially if they were chanting antisemitic things about Jews. You seem quite dismissive of anti-arab racism.

The OP mentions taking down a flag (amongst other things) as an example of the appalling behaviour that amounted to incitement of the subsequent violence.

I consider the removal of a flag from anyone’s house to be wrong but I also think it is not something that would justify the violence that was carried out last night.

Call out Israeli fans’ behaviour all you want. I think it’s an excellent idea to call out bad behaviour wherever we see. My issue is with highlighting and condemning one group’s behaviour while not doing the same to other groups demonstrating the same behaviour. The OP is all about the reporting of last night’s events minimising the Maccabi fans’ behaviour. If you’re going down that route then you are basically saying that a bunch of football fans being destructive, violent a-holes got what they deserved when they were chased through the streets, beaten and thrown in canals. How else can comments like that be interpreted?

When you ‘both sides’ what happened last night you’re basically agreeing that the attackers could act as judge and jury against the fans who ripped down flags and chanted anti-Arab football songs. You are saying that what some Maccabi fans did justified the mob attack on individuals. Sometimes actions are too big to be both sided. Chasing men through the streets because you think they’re Jewish comes into that category. Seeing men be beaten while their attackers are shouting “Free Palestine” or “this is for Gaza” on the streets of a European city is frankly terrifying. Checking to see if people are Jewish before beating them up? Come on. We’ve been here before.

You seem to be implying I am racist against Arabs.

I am not.

I have lots of opinions that you don’t know about. I only have so much time in the day and cannot express them all. I will, however, use the time I have to speak up for Israel/Jews when I can. There’s more than enough anti-Israeli/Jewish sentiment on this site and if what I post makes one Jewish person know they are not alone and not everyone thinks they’re genocidal, murdering, racist, psychopaths then I’ll take that.

How exactly did I assume you're not pro-palestine because you're a British Jewish when my post was pointing out that there are A British Jewish people who are pro Palestinian 🤨
Is your reading comprehension ok?

I'm not at all saying that people can act as judge and jury, I'm saying if you invite violence as a hooligan it's unsurprising if other hooligans respond with violence particularly when you've been attacking the local Moroccan community while they're just trying to drive cabs. You're accusing me of "both sidesing" it in a way that's dangerous when your original comment I responded to was saying that criticism of Israelis being racist and thuggish is perpetuating the myth of "good Jews".

And your point is?

@Usernamesareboring1 Can you cut out the blasphemy please.

Well it's behaviour that happens here every week 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ah…I was specifically talking about Maccabi fans, not Israelis. You’ve done that thing where you think I’ve said something and criticise me when I haven’t actually said the thing. Whoops!

The attacks were not carried out by “hooligans”. It wasn’t an Old Firm type punch up. The Dutch authorities have just suggested that people came in from outside Amsterdam to carry out these attacks.

Geert Wilders is understandably furious. Do you realise that this is going to make things even harder for ordinary Muslims in Europe?

Why?

Isn't the whole argument about not blaming people as a whole for the actions of a few? Yet, you are doing the same thing.

No it doesn't. That is unhelpful hyperbole.

Why?
Isn't the whole argument about not blaming people as a whole for the actions of a few? Yet, you are doing the same thing.

Tell Geert Wilders that.

Why should I tell him when it was your opinion that this would make things harder for normal Muslims in Europe.

Should I go warn my Muslim friends or neighbours that things are about to get tough for them now?

I think their point (or at least what they’re implying) is that Israeli football fans are diabolical in their violence and are the only ones guilty of such behaviour.

The Israelis were set upon AFTER the match ended.

THEY WERE NOT HOOLIGANS

they were not football fans getting into a brawl with other football fans.

this was an organised mob lying in wait after a friendly football game. strategically hunting, chasing, injuring anyone who appeared jewish or from israel.