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Conflict in the Middle East
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EricInk · 08/11/2024 09:58

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

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BakedAlaska12 · 12/11/2024 16:49

It seems people think it’s okay now to continue this hate.

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1855951335553634629

x.com

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1855951335553634629

KoalaBC · 12/11/2024 17:31

@EasterIssland some officials are now finally conceding that there was anti-muslim violence by the Maccabi fans, atleast 10 of them were arrested.

Dulra · 12/11/2024 17:33

BakedAlaska12 · 12/11/2024 16:49

It seems people think it’s okay now to continue this hate.

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1855951335553634629

Sick. Social media companies need to start clamping down on this crap especially when it is inciting violence and hatred.

KoalaBC · 12/11/2024 18:14

KoalaBC · 12/11/2024 17:31

@EasterIssland some officials are now finally conceding that there was anti-muslim violence by the Maccabi fans, atleast 10 of them were arrested.

There's also reports that officials in Amsterdam were considering cancelling the match because of the extreme aggressive behaviour by the Maccabi fans prior to the match. In hindsight, that would have perhaps have been the better option to have taken.

EasterIssland · 13/11/2024 07:54

EasterIssland · 12/11/2024 10:27

I might be wrong but I believe maccabi supporters attacked a taxi driver the day before. I can see it being related as to why taxi drivers then attacked maccabi supporters. I’m not justifying it but trying to understand why it was taxi drivers who did the attacks

islamophobia , antisemitism and attacks is wrong for both sides. Police , politicians and press have criticised one and done a blind eye for the another one when they were as bad

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Seems like I was right regarding the taxi drivers attacking

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For example, messages of aggression and threat to Maccabi supporters appear on social media on Wednesday. Furthermore, there are activists who spray pro-Palestinian texts with graffiti at the Ajax stadium. Later, Maccabi fans pull a Palestinian flag on a facade in the center. Part of that group is destroying several taxis. Taxi drivers then call each other online to mobilize, the police note.
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2544172-amsterdam-overwoog-verbod-op-ajax-maccabi-na-incidenten-met-fans-en-taxichauffeurs

Amsterdam overwoog verbod op Ajax-Maccabi na incidenten met fans en taxichauffeurs

Vanwege gebrek aan juridische onderbouwing en vrees voor escalatie werd toch besloten de wedstrijd toe te staan.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2544172-amsterdam-overwoog-verbod-op-ajax-maccabi-na-incidenten-met-fans-en-taxichauffeurs

MushMonster · 13/11/2024 08:26

A more balanced view reported in The Guardian today, as well.
There is racism, hate and violence from both sides of the fence, crushing and hurting anyone that finds themselves between them, for whatever reason (now including going out with friends or family, or getting back or to work, just walking or using the trams in the centre, in a country that is miles away from the war zone). The racism and vile on both sides should have been condemed on the initial estaments. Maybe it would have calmed or avoided the subsequent riots, post match.
They really need to address this for future matches. It should have not happened and it cannot be repeated.

But the real issue remains the ongoing wars and the lack of aid getting into the area, as usual, Gaza. And the hostages (if there is any alive) are not even considered, in the slightless. There is no sign whatsoever of any peace or end in the horizon. Shame on the fake leaders that refuse peace and all the people that have allowed their hearts to be filled with hate. Theirs will be the kingdom of HELL.

Aphrodite89 · 14/11/2024 22:24

And so we have multiple videos tonight of Israeli fans attacking French fans in the Stade de France. Time for UEFA to ban Israeli teams as this is becoming a consistent trend.

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 15:22

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24816839.bbc-admits-fault-israeli-football-fan-violence---45-days/
BBC admits fault over Israeli football fan violence – after 45 days

Alwayslookonthe · 27/12/2024 15:35

Amsterdam Jew-hunt attackers given prison terms.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/dutch-court-hands-amsterdam-jew-hunt-attackers-prison-terms-topping-out-at-6-months/

whytetulip · 27/12/2024 15:41

Alwayslookonthe · 27/12/2024 15:35

Six months doesn't seem like a long sentence for attacking people in the street.

Alwayslookonthe · 27/12/2024 15:43

whytetulip · 27/12/2024 15:41

Six months doesn't seem like a long sentence for attacking people in the street.

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I agree.

OctoberOctopus · 27/12/2024 15:58

Alwayslookonthe · 27/12/2024 15:35

The posts on MN at the time blaming the Jewish people.

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 16:08

OctoberOctopus · 27/12/2024 15:58

The posts on MN at the time blaming the Jewish people.

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The fact that locals have been given sentences doesn’t mean Israelis didn’t take part and didn’t cause problems either.

ps poaters weren’t blaming Jewish people. Even Jewish and Muslim communities from Amsterdam complained the way it had been dealt by local authorities

OctoberOctopus · 27/12/2024 16:23

Anyone involved in violence or spreading of hatred needs dealing with.

So far the 'Jew Hunters" and a person spreading anti semitic hate online have been tried and convicted. More due in court for similar offences soon.

OctoberOctopus · 28/12/2024 07:52

Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 10:18

I’ve seen people begging not to be beaten up while saying “I’m not Jewish, I’m not Jewish” and of a dad running through the streets with his son and people having their heads stamped on and of more people jumping into to canals and of attackers yelling pro-Palestine/anti-Israeli things as they attack people in the street.

You are absolutely saying they deserved it.

Your OP implies ALL the Maccabi were behaving badly all day and that they incited the attacks therefore, they deserved what they got for not behaving. Were they not being Good Jews?

Oh, I’ve also heard that the attackers were not Ajax fans but were instead “highly organised” groups of men who had planned their attacks. Now, I don’t know the nationality/cultural background of those people but it’s safe to say they weren’t attacking the Maccabi fans because they supported a different team.

I will go look at the videos proudly posted on SM.

This. At least some have been convicted for their crimes and hatred. It was organised gangs hunting that's been proven in court.

OctoberOctopus · 28/12/2024 07:57

Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 12:22

The OP mentions taking down a flag (amongst other things) as an example of the appalling behaviour that amounted to incitement of the subsequent violence.

I consider the removal of a flag from anyone’s house to be wrong but I also think it is not something that would justify the violence that was carried out last night.

Call out Israeli fans’ behaviour all you want. I think it’s an excellent idea to call out bad behaviour wherever we see. My issue is with highlighting and condemning one group’s behaviour while not doing the same to other groups demonstrating the same behaviour. The OP is all about the reporting of last night’s events minimising the Maccabi fans’ behaviour. If you’re going down that route then you are basically saying that a bunch of football fans being destructive, violent a-holes got what they deserved when they were chased through the streets, beaten and thrown in canals. How else can comments like that be interpreted?

When you ‘both sides’ what happened last night you’re basically agreeing that the attackers could act as judge and jury against the fans who ripped down flags and chanted anti-Arab football songs. You are saying that what some Maccabi fans did justified the mob attack on individuals. Sometimes actions are too big to be both sided. Chasing men through the streets because you think they’re Jewish comes into that category. Seeing men be beaten while their attackers are shouting “Free Palestine” or “this is for Gaza” on the streets of a European city is frankly terrifying. Checking to see if people are Jewish before beating them up? Come on. We’ve been here before.

You seem to be implying I am racist against Arabs.

I am not.

I have lots of opinions that you don’t know about. I only have so much time in the day and cannot express them all. I will, however, use the time I have to speak up for Israel/Jews when I can. There’s more than enough anti-Israeli/Jewish sentiment on this site and if what I post makes one Jewish person know they are not alone and not everyone thinks they’re genocidal, murdering, racist, psychopaths then I’ll take that.

Totally agree with this balanced post.

OctoberOctopus · 28/12/2024 08:09

ismu · 08/11/2024 14:55

@9isfine

My last post has formatted weirdly unfortunately.

I think you've mixed up last night with October 7th.
My point is that last night was football hooligans looking for a fight on both sides.

Israeli football hooligans absolutely wound up their opponents.
There was mon violence . People got hurt on both sides.
Some people were antisemitic, some people were Islamophobic.
It was in no way comparable to October 7th. You're the only person who is conflating the two.

This was an interesting post. Just football fans would up by the appalling behaviour of the Macabi fans.

I agree the behaviour of some of the Macabi fans was appalling. However, the attacks were proven to be pre planned and therefore not in retaliation for chanting and pulling down flags. That's the main point missed in the quest to always deny anti semitism. The court of law is now dealing with the pre planned attacks.

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