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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas don’t want peace

588 replies

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/11/2024 10:19

A two day ceasefire was offered to them in return for four hostages but they declined. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said Hamas “once again refused to release even a limited number of hostages to secure a ceasefire and relief for the people of Gaza”.
Isreal has now offered a million dollars for each hostage and safe passage out of Gaza for their captors. Hamas have yet to respond.

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Whatwillbreaknext · 06/11/2024 12:09

Hamas don't want peace (and have never experienced it in their life times thanks to Israel). The Israeli government do not want peace for Gaza's civilians. Do you think Gaza's civilians deserve peace OP?

Wibble128 · 06/11/2024 12:10

The PLO walked away from the chance of a peace agreement as well.

SometimesCalmPerson · 06/11/2024 12:11

Isreal needs to offer land and homes back and stop bombing if they want peace. Why would Palestinians want to make peace with people that aren’t offering to end their occupation and suffering? All the millions in the world won’t give them their lives back and the lives of the hostages are no more important than the lives of Palestinians.

Isreal is only making this offer to pacify their own citizens, not because they believe in peace for Palestine.

grimupnorthnot · 06/11/2024 12:11

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 12:08

Funny that, Israel also has not had peace since then.

Wonder why that is? Britain and the us are to blame for it. Decades of genocide and murder.

grimupnorthnot · 06/11/2024 12:11

Wibble128 · 06/11/2024 12:10

The PLO walked away from the chance of a peace agreement as well.

Again playing with only part of the storey.

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 12:15

@Fairy0708 Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 and to establish themselves they murdered over 15k Palestinians and displaced many many more and they expect to be left alone in peace ? I'd love to know how you'd react if someone just chucked you out of your house and said it's mine now. Wake up.

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 12:31

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 12:15

@Fairy0708 Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 and to establish themselves they murdered over 15k Palestinians and displaced many many more and they expect to be left alone in peace ? I'd love to know how you'd react if someone just chucked you out of your house and said it's mine now. Wake up.

I would love to know if you really truly know your facts and history? The official state of Israel was established in 1948. Jews had lived on the land for 1000s of years. Including... Guess who... Jesus Christ.... Jeez

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 12:33

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 12:15

@Fairy0708 Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 and to establish themselves they murdered over 15k Palestinians and displaced many many more and they expect to be left alone in peace ? I'd love to know how you'd react if someone just chucked you out of your house and said it's mine now. Wake up.

Oh and I'm very, very Wake (and informed, unlike yourself). 👍

GhostCicada · 06/11/2024 12:38

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 12:31

I would love to know if you really truly know your facts and history? The official state of Israel was established in 1948. Jews had lived on the land for 1000s of years. Including... Guess who... Jesus Christ.... Jeez

So why didn't they just stay living in their own homes/land instead of forcibly expelling Palestinians from theirs?

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 12:46

@Fairy0708 what's that got to do with your initial statement that Israel hasn't been in peace?

And yes Jews, Christians and Muslims were living together in peace for 1000s of years prior so why did they cause so much suffering to establish their own state?

Again, wake up and stick to your original point rather than bringing 'facts' that actually prove my point.

Felixfox · 06/11/2024 12:54

I visited Jerusalem about 20 years ago. I was astonished how all the different faiths lived civilly, side by side. Hamas is to blame for this. They have also successfully brainwashed many of the Palestinians to hate Jewish people. The sort of hate that culminates in October 7th where for the duration of the massacre and attack, it felt like there was hell on earth.

Seasmoke · 06/11/2024 13:02

GhostCicada · 06/11/2024 12:38

So why didn't they just stay living in their own homes/land instead of forcibly expelling Palestinians from theirs?

Have you heard of a little thing called WWII? They were also expelled or killed in virtually all the surrounding countries, where they had lived for 1000's of years. The current Israeli government is horrific, but that does not mean that the Jewish people have just tipped up from nowhere. And 'the jews' didn't do it. The Allies did. This is mainly a mess caused by the British Empire.

DieDreiHexen · 06/11/2024 13:08

Of course they do not want peace.

They are radical Islamists which means they are idea logically opposed both to peace and to a Palestinian state.

Auvergne63 · 06/11/2024 13:09

Both Jews and Palestinians have lived on the land, prior to 1948. Both have valid claim to their ancestral land. Let's not forgot this.
Have you also heard of "the Uganda scheme"? Palestine wasn't the first choice for a safe haven for Jewish people.
Do you know your facts and history?

Daftasabroom · 06/11/2024 13:09

Wibble128 · 06/11/2024 12:10

The PLO walked away from the chance of a peace agreement as well.

It wasn't a peace agreement. It was an unacceptable proposal by Israel and her allies.

Doford · 06/11/2024 13:14

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 12:31

I would love to know if you really truly know your facts and history? The official state of Israel was established in 1948. Jews had lived on the land for 1000s of years. Including... Guess who... Jesus Christ.... Jeez

Now we are just getting a bit silly. Are you about to move on “the promised land” part? Who promised it?

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 13:20

Felixfox · 06/11/2024 12:54

I visited Jerusalem about 20 years ago. I was astonished how all the different faiths lived civilly, side by side. Hamas is to blame for this. They have also successfully brainwashed many of the Palestinians to hate Jewish people. The sort of hate that culminates in October 7th where for the duration of the massacre and attack, it felt like there was hell on earth.

Palestinians don’t hate Jews, they hate the Zionists that have killed so many of them for 76 years and illegally occupied their land - don’t think you need to be ‘Brainwashed’ to know this. Zionism isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Zionism. Unfortunately people have been ‘brainwashed’ to think being Anti Israel is the same as being Anti Jewish, it’s not.

Hamas were wrong to kill innocent people on 7 Oct but Israel have been doing the same since 1948. So no, Hamas didn’t cause this, Israel did when they decided that they wanted their own land and ethically cleansed the area to make it their ‘own’. The creation of groups like Hamas was inevitable. Do you expect everyone to just sit tight and let Israel illegally occupy them? In regard to your point about your visit to Jerusalem, Palestinians have no choice but to live in accordance with how the Israeli government wants otherwise guess what? They’ll get shot dead or taken to Israeli prisons without charge if they resist the illegally occupation.

HowardTJMoon · 06/11/2024 13:21

Does your claim of Hamas not wanting peace mean that you feel the killing of thousands of Palestinians is justified, or something else?

FfsBrian · 06/11/2024 13:21

Hamas are and have always been war dogs. They never want peace - it’s not who they are or their directive. AND they have been very vocal and honest about that on several TV broadcasts

Thats why they spent billions of ££ we sent of aid money on building tunnels under the ground and letting the people of Gaza rot - no electricity or clean water - Israel paid for it all.

It’s also the reason none of the surrounding Arab countries would take the Palestinians in because of past events where they caused civil war.

It’s also the reason students in the UAE have been banned from flying the Palestinian flag & marching - and have even been deported.

Yet time and time again the white liberals of Europe with romanticised ideas and no real understanding of who these demons are continue wear the kaffir like fools and go on marches. Queers for Palestine is the sickest joke of all.

whytetulip · 06/11/2024 13:23

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 12:15

@Fairy0708 Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 and to establish themselves they murdered over 15k Palestinians and displaced many many more and they expect to be left alone in peace ? I'd love to know how you'd react if someone just chucked you out of your house and said it's mine now. Wake up.

Are yoy saying Israel shouldn't have peace?

whytetulip · 06/11/2024 13:23

mumstheword223 · 06/11/2024 13:20

Palestinians don’t hate Jews, they hate the Zionists that have killed so many of them for 76 years and illegally occupied their land - don’t think you need to be ‘Brainwashed’ to know this. Zionism isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Zionism. Unfortunately people have been ‘brainwashed’ to think being Anti Israel is the same as being Anti Jewish, it’s not.

Hamas were wrong to kill innocent people on 7 Oct but Israel have been doing the same since 1948. So no, Hamas didn’t cause this, Israel did when they decided that they wanted their own land and ethically cleansed the area to make it their ‘own’. The creation of groups like Hamas was inevitable. Do you expect everyone to just sit tight and let Israel illegally occupy them? In regard to your point about your visit to Jerusalem, Palestinians have no choice but to live in accordance with how the Israeli government wants otherwise guess what? They’ll get shot dead or taken to Israeli prisons without charge if they resist the illegally occupation.

Well about 80% of Jewish people are zionists so...

Opentooffers · 06/11/2024 13:25

They probably don't have that many alive hostages left by now, if any. So couldn't even if they wanted to.

Comedycook · 06/11/2024 13:25

whytetulip · 06/11/2024 13:23

Well about 80% of Jewish people are zionists so...

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Comedycook · 06/11/2024 13:28

whytetulip · 06/11/2024 13:23

Well about 80% of Jewish people are zionists so...

I think it's higher than that isn't it?

But the current trend is to demonise zionism...it's very tedious and quite transparent.

Comedycook · 06/11/2024 13:31

Unfortunately people have been ‘brainwashed’ to think being Anti Israel is the same as being Anti Jewish

In many cases it is.

And what is your definition of Zionism?