Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Conflict in the Middle East

The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital

139 replies

Whatsinanamehey · 25/10/2024 13:12

How is this being allowed to happen? How are the IDF getting away with the genocide and ethnic cleansing? In particular in the north of Gaza. They have bombed countless schools and hospitals and it is still happening!

From sky news
Gaza hospital 'raided' by Israeli military
Israel's military launched raided a hospital in north Gaza last night, Palestinian officials said.
Troops stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital and stationed forces outside it, according to medics.
Eid Sabbah, the hospital's nursing director, told the Reuters news agency that Israeli tanks opened fire on the hospital upon their arrival.
The hospital's oxygen stores were hit, he added, before troops raided the building and ordered staff and patients to leave.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military or World Health Organisation on the raid.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
12
Catatonican · 28/10/2024 18:55

whytetulip · 26/10/2024 19:51

What's worth the quotation marks?

I guess you have the seen the news on how the situation has developed given they have now arrested dozens of 'terrorists' who worked at the hospital

Catatonican · 28/10/2024 18:57

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Catatonican · 28/10/2024 19:00

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

whytetulip · 28/10/2024 19:07

Catatonican · 28/10/2024 18:55

I guess you have the seen the news on how the situation has developed given they have now arrested dozens of 'terrorists' who worked at the hospital

Doesn't really answer my question about your first statement.

Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:11

If we're going down the squirrel route, here's a cute one.

People should not allow themselves to be persuaded by the lies about not targeting civilians. It would be highly unlikely that such a consistent pattern of head and limb shots would emerge by accident. Large numbers of children and other civilians are being brought to hospital with gunshot injuries in patterns that are both unlikely to be accidental and match established shooting patterns used by IDF military including snipers. There is video evidence of civilians being targeted, including footage in which it is explicitly stated that they are known to be non-combatants and that they are being used to lure out other non-combatants. Oh, and there are also former IDF professionals who confirm that such targeting has happened and continues to happen.

But hey, this squirrel is really cute.

The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital
Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:13

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:20

FYI: ISRAEL does NOT "systemically" TARGET innocents, the unarmed. If cowardly terrorist organizations did not hide behind and use civilian based shields, civilian casualties would be far less.

FYI: medical evidence, military reports and eyewitness accounts (including from former IDF professionals) confirms the systematic targeting of civilians - including children and people known to present no imminent risk of harm.

myearthisflat · 28/10/2024 19:20

Not sure about tired, but thought most would agree that the country is sick.

BTW, the squirrel is really cute, thanks!

JaneJeffer · 28/10/2024 19:27

I don't know about squirrels but I know a nut when I see one

GhostCicada · 28/10/2024 20:19

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:20

FYI: ISRAEL does NOT "systemically" TARGET innocents, the unarmed. If cowardly terrorist organizations did not hide behind and use civilian based shields, civilian casualties would be far less.

Don't you think though that when the goal is to 'eliminate everything' as per the Israeli minister for defence it does mean that civillians are being targeted. If there is nothing left how do Israel expect civillians to survive?

There is also the matter of a number of Israeli politicians like Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter telling us that they are 'rolling out the Gaza Nakba'. Does that not suggest that civillians are amongst their targets?

I'm confused about how you are so certain that civillians aren't being targeted when Israeli politicians have told us that they are rolling out a Nakba and that they intend to 'eliminate everything'. Where does you certainty come from in the face of such statements? Do you not believe that Israeli politicians tell the truth?

OP posts:
Tel12 · 28/10/2024 22:04

Nothing can justify what is being allowed to happen in Gaza. Nothing.

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:45

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:30

I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word "Mum" that support is not stronger for educating on discrimination and oppression of women rights.

Women need to realize life is not all cookies and cream: there is suffering, pain, sorrow that is unavoidable because of evil regimes, and war. It is very historically complex. Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

It is easier to think: "Oh, here is the BAD guy just stop them"; rather than put the focus on fixing the long term problem: terroristic, women oppressing countries such as Iran. THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

Religious law: The state's legal system is based on religious law."

This is how Iran's govt is ruled.
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.

A religious law based country, that oppresses women is even worse.

Iran is evil, terrorists are evil because they use beheadings, rape; they are "snakes" who use innocents. Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.

Edited

Israel has been going down the same path to segregation of women, barring them from leadership positions, and even making them sit in the back of the bus or deny service if not dress modestly enough. VAWG has increased.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/54250
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ive-been-fighting-for-womens-rights-in-israel-for-20-years/
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/56072
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/middleeast/israel-women-rights.html

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/boston-sunday-globe/20230813/281560885324856

https://www.haaretz.com/haaretz-explains/2023-07-25/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israels-government-frightening-steps-against-women-explained/00000189-8d4c-d95c-a7ab-fd7dec9e0000

Chipping Away at Decades of Progress: Gender Segregation in Israel

The diminished number of women in decision-making positions in government, coupled with the increase in attempts to implement gender segregation, threatens the right to equality.

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/56072

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:48

Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:13

FYI: medical evidence, military reports and eyewitness accounts (including from former IDF professionals) confirms the systematic targeting of civilians - including children and people known to present no imminent risk of harm.

This analysis as well (the link is to full analysis including cartographic videos)

”Since the start of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza in October 2023, Forensic Architecture has been collecting data related to attacks against civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure by the Israeli military. Our analysis of this conduct reveals the near-total destruction of civilian life in Gaza. We have also collected and analysed evacuation orders issued by the Israeli military directing Palestinian civilians to areas of Gaza designated as ‘safe’. These orders have resulted in the repeated, large-scale displacement of the Palestinian population across Gaza, often to areas which subsequently came under Israeli attack.
Our findings indicate that Israel’s military campaign in Gaza is organised, systematic, and intended to destroy conditions of life and life-sustaining infrastructure.”

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide

Forensic Architecture

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:52

There is video evidence of civilians being targeted, including footage in which it is explicitly stated that they are known to be non-combatants and that they are being used to lure out other non-combatants.

The most well known example of this was the family of Hind Rajab and the two paramedics sent with IDF approval to rescue Hind who was the sole survivor until the ambulance arrived and then Hind and the paramedics were murdered.

Here is FA’s investigation which was accepted by the US Congress and is a matter of official record:
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

Forensic Architecture

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:59

FA’s investigation into Gaza Healthcare system

”Since 7 October 2023, we have aggregated news reports of Israeli military attacks on medical infrastructure in Gaza. Our analysis suggests that hospitals in Gaza are being subjected to a systematic pattern of intimidation and violence by the Israeli military as part of the ongoing invasion.”

“Pattern Analysis
We cross-referenced and analysed hundreds of reports from Al-Jazeera, Al Araby and Shehab News, which describe attacks on, or near to, hospitals and medical infrastructure in the north of the Gaza strip.
The results of this analysis suggest a repeated and consistent pattern of attacks on hospitals across the region, defined by intimidation, attacks on surrounding areas, direct targeting, siege, and occupation. The impact of this systematic and widespread pattern of destruction of medical infrastructure and forcible population transfer has put 28 hospitals in Gaza out of service, including all those located in the north of the strip.”

Full report at
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/destruction-of-medical-infrastructure-in-gaza

PeasfullPerson · 29/10/2024 13:35

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:30

I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word "Mum" that support is not stronger for educating on discrimination and oppression of women rights.

Women need to realize life is not all cookies and cream: there is suffering, pain, sorrow that is unavoidable because of evil regimes, and war. It is very historically complex. Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

It is easier to think: "Oh, here is the BAD guy just stop them"; rather than put the focus on fixing the long term problem: terroristic, women oppressing countries such as Iran. THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

Religious law: The state's legal system is based on religious law."

This is how Iran's govt is ruled.
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.

A religious law based country, that oppresses women is even worse.

Iran is evil, terrorists are evil because they use beheadings, rape; they are "snakes" who use innocents. Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.

Edited

In a world which punishes you for caring, it takes strength to continue caring. To fall into patterns of disproportionate fear, control and violence, is weak.

The way you characterised women in your post, on a site which is mainly used by women, is shameful.

The world would be a better place if it put more value on traditionally female characteristics. Don’t blame women for what is mostly male violence.

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 13:51

I agree @PeasfullPerson

this paragraph was really sexist and insulting
Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

Reads like poor little women you are letting your sentimentality for human suffering cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

Scirocco · 29/10/2024 13:58

Clearly, my lack of Y chromosomes must mean my soft, womanly heart should not be left to run services, make life-and-death decisions and lead on disaster triage or emergency responses. Someone should probably tell my line managers.

Sheri99 · 29/10/2024 16:14

MissyB1 · 28/10/2024 07:03

Some posters don't consider bombing hospitals, schools, orphanages etc as war crimes unbelievably! They think it's totally justified "because Hamas". They will argue until blue in the face why it's justifiable. Of course it would be a different matter if it were a hospital that their family member was in.....

(No part of the of the following content may be reproduced for monetary gain by anyone other than the writer or by permission) slarson.12210.com)

To any of you who are harboring angry emotions regarding my previous writing:

Human Shield = War Crime.

Terrorist hide in hospitals, schools, orphanages which CAUSES them to be placed in danger of being harmed or killed, therefore it is a war crime for anyone to USE innocents as a means of protection from legal actions of war: defense of a people from genocide.

It is a war crime to REQUIRE/FORCE a country to destroy buildings inhabited by innocents to protect their own population from genocide.

-Some FACTS (hang with me here if you are able):

-Emotions are not <span class="italic">rational</span> thoughts. Emotions are only <span class="italic">feelings. </span>
-<span class="italic">Feelings</span> are caused by chemical actions from <strong>glands</strong> in the body, which are triggered by "flight or fight" <span class="italic">reactions</span> in the brain. Therefore, feelings should 99.9% of the time, be thoughly examined by <span class="italic">intellectual reasoning.</span>
<span class="italic">-Intellectual reasoning</span>, also known as <span class="italic">executive function is</span> a large part of the brain. This is because <span class="italic">emotions</span> tend to cause humans to make wrong conclusions, which lead to more emotion, irrational thoughts, stupid choices, as well as unwise and unsafe actions. 

-Humans require a large brain, to have a <span class="italic">large</span> frontal cortex, BECAUSE humans are the most <span class="italic">emotional mammal</span> in existence therefore: they need to control their <span class="italic">emotions through intellect</span> to survive. 


-Terrorists states and groups pray on peoples emotions. Terrorists are emotional creatures unable to control their own emotions.

  • Think about this: What other creature, besides a human one who, is clearly not thinking rationally, acting only on a human emotion, would wrap explosives around their body and then blow up other innocent humans; load up a vehicle with explosives and then drive it into a barracks full of American Marines and sailors, or fly an airplane into a building or air craft carrier?

End of facts.

And of course I will argue/debate/explain warfare until I am blue in the face. There is evidence in this discussion that some people posting have trouble discerning if they are being emotional or not, who need to learn unemotional, clear analysis, which is required to reason out what warlike actions are actually actions of atrocity to mankind and which actions are actions of defense for mankind, before responding with something such as this type of irrationality among only a few:

"Of course it would be a different matter if it were a hospital that their family member was in.....".

Statements like this do not make me anything emotional other than disappointed and discouraged in parts of mankind.

To those of you who are harboring angry emotions regarding my posts as well as a country (any country) defending its population, place the emotion toward the terrorists, please. Use it to fight terrorism not enable it.

To those of you who use emotion to explain why Israel is forced by terrorists to bomb hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc only further terrorist's causes.

Those terrorist causes are: control of the innocent minds via emotion, control of the less fortunate, who do not want to be controlled by terrorists, but who have no choice. Example: Hamas has not allowed elections in nearly TWENTY years!

Raw emotional outrage allows terrorists to spread like the roaches they are. * *

Think for a bit:

Are you are a tool of good?
A tool of terrorists?
OR just a tool?

(No part of the of this content may be reproduced for monetary gain by anyone other than the writer or by permission at slarson.12210.com)

MissyB1 · 29/10/2024 16:20

Think there's a bot on the thread 🙄

Auvergne63 · 29/10/2024 16:56

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:30

I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word "Mum" that support is not stronger for educating on discrimination and oppression of women rights.

Women need to realize life is not all cookies and cream: there is suffering, pain, sorrow that is unavoidable because of evil regimes, and war. It is very historically complex. Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

It is easier to think: "Oh, here is the BAD guy just stop them"; rather than put the focus on fixing the long term problem: terroristic, women oppressing countries such as Iran. THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

Religious law: The state's legal system is based on religious law."

This is how Iran's govt is ruled.
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.

A religious law based country, that oppresses women is even worse.

Iran is evil, terrorists are evil because they use beheadings, rape; they are "snakes" who use innocents. Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.

Edited

Wow! I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word " Mum", some posters support the deliberate and relentless murder of children.
THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.
What the Israeli government is about: committing genocide by any means in order to grab land.
Your views on women are also highly offensive. We, poor creatures, are at the mercy of our instincts, and must grow a back bone when looking at images of suffering. That's your belief? Soft women's heart? Ffs!
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.
"You shall not kill" and "You shall not covet your neighbour's ass" come to mind too.
Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.
Well, obviously, your definition of evil is not the conventional one.

Scirocco · 29/10/2024 17:14

MissyB1 · 29/10/2024 16:20

Think there's a bot on the thread 🙄

I'd post more squirrels but the last one was pretty cute, so probably still has some mileage in it.

People should just deflect using cute animal pictures rather than AI-generated walls of text or sexist nonsense.

Meanwhile, despite the cuteness of the squirrel, one of the last remaining hospitals was raided, with widespread harm. Healthcare staff in the hospital were abducted and we still don't know where they are... Innocent people have been killed by Israeli forces and many more will die because of the destruction of healthcare provision....

When people cannot find credible arguments to defend or justify the actions of a group they support, they resort to distraction and attacks.

This man has lost his child. Rather than posting pointless attempts to deflect, I'd suggest people look at the pain in his face - the anguish of a father who has lost his son (a child). This is what people are supporting when they support the acts of the Israeli government and IDF.

The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital
PeasfullPerson · 29/10/2024 17:25

MissyB1 · 29/10/2024 16:20

Think there's a bot on the thread 🙄

Surely a real human being would understand that this very basic and insulting analysis would not be taken seriously here! Or this is trolling.

MissyB1 · 29/10/2024 17:37

Notice how Israel either ban/detain/kill anyone that might be able to show evidence of their crimes? So aid workers are a threat, journalists are a big threat, and hospital staff - definitely a threat!

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 15:42

“There is evidence in this discussion that some people posting have trouble discerning if they are being emotional or not, who need to learn unemotional, clear analysis, which is required to reason out what warlike actions are actually actions of atrocity…”

Quite. Upon careful analysis,

  • the destruction today of all the medical supplies delivered by WHO 5 days ago to Kamal Adwan hospital, and
  • The Palestinians forcibly bombed from Jabalia to Beit Lahiya, and now bombed again today exactly where they were ‘evacuated’ to in Beit Lahiya

are atrocities.

Swipe left for the next trending thread