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The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital

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Whatsinanamehey · 25/10/2024 13:12

How is this being allowed to happen? How are the IDF getting away with the genocide and ethnic cleansing? In particular in the north of Gaza. They have bombed countless schools and hospitals and it is still happening!

From sky news
Gaza hospital 'raided' by Israeli military
Israel's military launched raided a hospital in north Gaza last night, Palestinian officials said.
Troops stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital and stationed forces outside it, according to medics.
Eid Sabbah, the hospital's nursing director, told the Reuters news agency that Israeli tanks opened fire on the hospital upon their arrival.
The hospital's oxygen stores were hit, he added, before troops raided the building and ordered staff and patients to leave.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military or World Health Organisation on the raid.

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Liv999 · 25/10/2024 18:16

MissyB1 · 25/10/2024 13:31

The world is allowing it, God knows why?! It's a genocide and there is ethnic cleansing going on too. We all know it's a war crime to target residential buildings, schools, universities, hospitals, health care workers, aid workers etc... Except when Israel do this - oh no that's just "self defence"!! Different rules for Israel for some reason 🤔
And when there are no Palestinians left alive, Israel will say "well it's a shame but we just had to make sure we killed all the terrorists" Then they will happily move their settlers in and build lovely homes and facilities for them.

Spot on

Lalaloveya · 25/10/2024 23:57

Channel 4 news tonight was hard to watch. It very much felt like watching genocide in real time. And that's certainly what the editorial team was hinting.

Sheri99 · 26/10/2024 02:50

Lismore · 25/10/2024 13:36

Because Hamas use such civilian buildings as cover for their terrorist operations with no regard for the consequences, as they have done for decades.

Perhaps dig deeper using legitimate sources rather than responding to the latest social media headline….

..."hit oxygen stores in the hospital". Had this been true not sure anyone would be around to tell about it.

EasterIssland · 26/10/2024 08:13

Sheri99 · 26/10/2024 02:50

..."hit oxygen stores in the hospital". Had this been true not sure anyone would be around to tell about it.

However, tanks later returned to the surrounding area and opened fire at the hospital, hitting its oxygen stores, before troops began a raid and ordered staff and patients to leave, he added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0m4xlg093o.amp

Photo posted by the World Health Organization's director general showing patients being treated inside Kamal Adwan hospital, in northern Gaza (24 October 2024)

Gaza war's 'darkest moment' unfolding in north, United Nations says - BBC News

Volker Türk has called on world leaders to act, saying states had a duty to ensure respect for international humanitarian law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0m4xlg093o.amp

LoremIpsumCici · 26/10/2024 11:28

Sheri99 · 26/10/2024 02:50

..."hit oxygen stores in the hospital". Had this been true not sure anyone would be around to tell about it.

They’re talking about the oxygen generator, not the tanks of oxygen. This has happened everywhere IDF have raided and destroyed hospitals. It kills all the newborns in the NICU. IDF also target water tanks, solar panels and the electricity generators that run on diesel fuel.

Portakalkedi · 26/10/2024 11:33

Perhaps one lot of people should not provoke a war by attacking another lot of people in the first place.

LoremIpsumCici · 26/10/2024 11:40

Opinion | Israelis, indifferent to Gaza's destruction, are overloading on October 7 - Haaretz
By Carolina Landsmann Oct 25, 2024 01:29 AM

“That's how it is in war," say those looking for excuses when explaining the mass killings in Gaza, the wholesale attacks on women, children and the elderly, and the sheer absolute devastation. Just like the concept of "context," the expression "that's how it is in war" is a privilege reserved for Israel only. Anyone daring to comment on the acts committed by Hamas on October 7 and say "that's how it is in war" will be reviled as no less than a traitor…..”

”….But as we succumb to victimhood, we, via the Israel Defense Forces, are striking our assailant with all our might, hitting his bleeding face, riddling his body with bullets even after he has long been dead by our hands.
If this were a movie, a friend would have seized our hand, held onto our shoulders, shaking and yelling at us to bring us out of the trance we were in: "Enough, he's dead." As one Hebrew song goes, "I haven't said enough." Israel isn't succeeding, and may never succeed, in knowing when it's sufficient, in knowing how to reach the conclusion on its own that it's time to stop. The fact that it is determined to continue the war and even expand it toward Iran after the death of Sinwar - the architect of October 7, our perfect enemy - bolsters the sense that Israel lacks the internal strength required for stopping itself. It doesn't know when to stop. "I haven't killed enough," to paraphrase that song.

I once wrote that there is no amount of food that will satiate a person eating out of anxiety.

Israel is fighting as if it were in an anxiety-driven frenzy. There is therefore no amount of military achievements and fatalities that would provide it with a sense of victory. At the same time, it is operating a mechanism which constantly creates anxiety, in the fashion of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Remembrance Center. This is a dangerous combination. If Israel isn't stopped, it will gorge itself to death on Palestinian blood.”

Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 11:56

Portakalkedi · 26/10/2024 11:33

Perhaps one lot of people should not provoke a war by attacking another lot of people in the first place.

Perhaps one lot of people should not oppress another for decades and continue to steal their land.

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 13:47

From DR Tedros of WHO:

"Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern #Gaza is still under siege, but we managed to get in touch with the staff. Three health workers and another employee have been injured, 44 health workers have been detained and four ambulances damaged. Around 600 patients, health workers and individuals are currently sheltering in the hospital.
The siege and attacks on health workers occurred just hours after the @WHO-led mission which delivered essential supplies to keep the facility operational and took critical patients to Al-Shifa Hospital.
We urge for hospitals, health workers and patients to be protected. Ceasefire!"

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 13:50

Why are the IDF damaging ambulances?? Why are they attacking health workers?
Why have they laid siege on a hospital in the North of Gaza where a genocide is taking place? Why will Israel not allow journalists into Gaza??

Why are they operating with such barbarism?

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Auvergne63 · 26/10/2024 14:43

Portakalkedi · 26/10/2024 11:33

Perhaps one lot of people should not provoke a war by attacking another lot of people in the first place.

Perhaps both shouldn't commit war crimes.

username1478 · 26/10/2024 15:09

Troops entered the building, did they find any Hamas members? Why would they fire on the hospital?

Anyone would think the IDF were simply targeting essential infrastructure in an attempt to deprive Palestinians of humanitarian assistance.

Peppapigsamonster · 26/10/2024 15:10

How would you feel if someone had justified October 7th by saying that israel deserved it because they provoked it by illegally occupying Palestinian land, beseiging Gaza and horrific crimes like taking and sexually abusing Palestinian children for throwing stones? The fact that you use October 7th as justification for genocide, complete destruction of a whole area and it's infrastructure and subjection of its population to conditions worst than anything I've ever seen is absolutely despicable. What a shameful comment.

Catatonican · 26/10/2024 16:59

Each day a little bit of me breaks away as I watch from a distance what is happening in Gaza.

And the world wonders how 'terrorists' are born.

whytetulip · 26/10/2024 19:51

Catatonican · 26/10/2024 16:59

Each day a little bit of me breaks away as I watch from a distance what is happening in Gaza.

And the world wonders how 'terrorists' are born.

What's worth the quotation marks?

herecomesautumn · 26/10/2024 20:05

Catatonican · 26/10/2024 16:59

Each day a little bit of me breaks away as I watch from a distance what is happening in Gaza.

And the world wonders how 'terrorists' are born.

"Terrorists"? Or terrorists?

Are you saying terrorism is justified. Not sure if I'm understanding what you mean

Martymcfly24 · 26/10/2024 20:08

herecomesautumn · 26/10/2024 20:05

"Terrorists"? Or terrorists?

Are you saying terrorism is justified. Not sure if I'm understanding what you mean

Is firing on a hospitals oxygen supplies killing newborns justified?

Sussurations · 26/10/2024 20:10

I’m not saying it would end the war for sure. But Hamas could release the hostages today if they wanted to try to end it.

they don’t.

and an alternative way of looking at Israel ‘getting away with genocide’ is because, tragic as this war is, this is a war, not a genocide.

Hamas and Iran’s other proxies have suffered some major blows, dealt pretty surgically, by Israeli forces. Militarily, Hamas stand no chance against the IDF - they know that, you know that, everyone knows that. So why have they provoked and then prolonged this war, that they cannot win, at the awful cost of the death and suffering in Gaza? They know how impossibly difficult it is for Israeli forces to operate in Gaza because Hamas hides among civilians. They know the cost to their own people.

I know the prevailing opinion on these threads is that if you don’t hate and blame Israel you don’t care about people dying. Which I’m not going to try to address because it’s a fucking stupid way of looking at war, politics, history, the Middle East and human nature. For the record, I think there is much to criticise about the Israeli govt and especially tacit or overt support of West Bank settlers but I strongly support the right of Israel to exist and to defend itself. And all things being equal, to conduct its own wars as it sees fit, and to conduct diplomacy and talks as it sees fit.

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:44

How many doctors have Israel kidnapped? How many more health workers will they kill and torture? For how long will you carry on condoning the genocide happening right now in the north of Gaza?

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:52

Many experts and scholars who were not calling it a genocide, have now concluded that they believe it is so now.

Any early hesitation I had about applying the ‘genocide’ label to the Israeli attack on Gaza has dissipated over the past year of human slaughter and the obliteration of homes, infrastructure, and communities,” said Adam Jones, a professor of political science at the University of British Columbia who has written a textbook on genocide. “There is plenty of this demonization and dehumanization on the other side as well, but whatever peace constituency existed in Israel seems to have vanished, and there is a growing consensus for genocidal war, mass population transfer, and long-term eradication of Palestinian culture and identity.”
Among other things, Jones noted Israeli leadership’s recent plans to expel the entire remaining civilian population of northern Gaza and turn the territory into a military zone where no aid would be allowed as influencing his thinking on the issue. There is no indication of whether civilians would ever be allowed to return. This could be taken as an example of the kind of “state or organizational plan or policy” necessary to prove genocidal intent, he said. Though the plan, if it has been implemented, has not yet been seen to completion, it can still serve as evidence of intent.

Netanyahu considering plan to force all Palestinian civilians out of northern Gaza to besiege Hamas | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is considering a plan to force all Palestinian civilians out of northern Gaza, including Gaza City, in order to lay siege to Hamas and force the release of hostages.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/22/middleeast/netanyahu-gaza-hamas-expulsions-plan-intl/index.html

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:57

One of the first scholars to say Israel was committing genocide was Raz Segal, a professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University, who called it a “textbook case” in Jewish Currents just days after Hamas’s October 7, 2023, attack on Israel. Ahead of the one-year anniversary of Hamas’s attack, he told me he wished he had been wrong.

“I fully stand behind my description of Israel’s attack on Gaza as a ‘textbook case of genocide’ because we’re still actually seeing, nearly a year into this genocidal assault, explicit and unashamed statements of intent to destroy,” he said. “The way that intent is expressed here is absolutely unprecedented.”

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HRTQueen · 26/10/2024 22:22

Isreal will do just as they please in the next two weeks and will step up their attacks

they are well aware that Biden will not interfere not that he has had much influence

War crimes are being committed by a ruling voted in government over and over again and all this will do is prolong unrest in the area

how we can stand by and do so little is utterly shameful

TotallyHackedOff · 26/10/2024 23:16

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