"You see us burning, you stay silent..."

[Scirocco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

Please, read, listen and see what is being done to innocent people here.

Remember them.

Now, perhaps more than at any previous time in history, we can easily know the human cost of hate and violence, and the human cost of looking away.

Remember them. And remember all the other innocent people who have died and continue to die because of hatred and because of apathy.

https://www.history.co.uk/article/what-if-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-never-happened#

The conventional view is that more lives were saved in the long term.

And the memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has meant a widespread acceptance that it must never happen again. So some good came out of something terrible.

I hope that when peace comes to Gaza there is a real focus on making sure none of this happens again . That would be the best memorial for the victims.

I think you'll find there is not any one view on this and military historians have debated it for decades there's for and against on both sides I'm very much against.

FFS the allies were NOT winning in the Far East.

FFS it depends on whose analysis you read. No idea why you are so sure.
I'm not getting into an argument on the atomic bomb. My view is never going to change on it. For me it is not morally or ethically justifiable

It genuinely makes me feel physically sick that in 2024 people think dropping an atomic bomb on an entire civilian population is acceptable. I'm shattered 😔

@LetThereBeLove

I am sorry for your family's losses and ordeals. In Islam we would say: May Allah grant you all shifaa (healing) and may He grant all those unjustly slain a place in Jannat al-Firdaus (heaven). I'm sorry, I don't know what the equivalent would be in Judaism, so I hope it doesn't cause offence for me to extend that wish for your family and for all who suffered and continue to suffer from that dark, dark time. I truly wish that the world could stop all this hatred and violence.

Mumsnet is the only place I've ever seen this view expressed.

Same. Explains a lot though

Thank you so much. I follow your empathetic posts on CITME and know we are on the same page. I can only wish us all shalom and hope that the disaster that has befallen your family and mine will end soon x

No one is saying dropping atomic bombs is acceptable. Nothing about war is acceptable. I simply said it was regarded , at the time, as leading to less loss of life than the alternative.
In 2024 We’re all against war and against dropping atomic bombs ( I hope)

I am 'so sure' as you put it because my father was fully aware of what happened to the Forgotten Army as the Allies in the Far East were known.

? ? What do you mean

That the huge loss of civilian life in Gaza is seen by many posters as collateral damage and a necessary consequence of war

Honestly I know I'll get flamed for this but I can't do anything to help.
There are so many atrocities happening every single day in every single country. Governments don't listen and don't care. I can't physically care about every single person awful things are happening to because I would literally break down.

Yes, same. I guess it's not something I usually discuss with people, as it's just assumed that everyone would agree that it's a horrifying thought. This thread, and others on here have been eye-opening for sure.

I have no doubt your father was but you have to accept there are alternatives viewpoints as there is with many historical events.

I am well aware of the forgotten army I have read a few books on their experiences which were horrific and inhumane. I am not for one minute suggesting what happened to them is justified either.

But how is the atomic bomb linked to Gaza ?

But no one has said that atomic weapons are ok in 2024 … Perhaps re read what was said and don’t rely on other people’s misinterpretations

This is a very disingenuous reply as you know we were not talking about civilians as collateral damage.
I said “And the memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has meant a widespread acceptance that it must never happen again. So some good came out of something terrible.”
You seem to wilfully misinterpret posts

It's not disingenuous it highlights to me people's viewpoint on civilians in war. I wasn't necessarily talking about you specifically. I am talking about a view that dropping the atomic bomb can be justified and how people form that view. You seem to be misinterpreting my posts.

Can I just point out that this was the original post by @LetThereBeLove . The meaning in the last paragraph is very clear and is one I hope we all share .

So what did you mean by this?

I deplore the loss of life in Gaza and I have never used the term collateral damage.
I hope this nightmarish war ends and Palestinians and Israelis can live in peace

It's a view I have seen expressed over and over on these threads. I have never once said you expressed that view.