"You see us burning, you stay silent..."

[Scirocco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

Please, read, listen and see what is being done to innocent people here.

Remember them.

Now, perhaps more than at any previous time in history, we can easily know the human cost of hate and violence, and the human cost of looking away.

Remember them. And remember all the other innocent people who have died and continue to die because of hatred and because of apathy.

Thank you. JazakAllah khair.

It's disgusting sentiment. Imagine if people had had that attitude in the 30s!

I think people do have a compassion for their fellow humans and everyone is aware of the civilian suffering in all sides of this conflict.

However to get appreciable donations people need to be convinced they are not taking a side in a conflict and their donations would be used in an entirely humanitarian way.

I think a lot of the international charities are basically focusing on the suffering on children in the region and perhaps that is the best way to look at this removing the cause of the suffering from aid requests so that it shows charities are neutral in conflict situations. I think a challenge is to ensure aid organisations can operate in away that can be separate from Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organsiation. People are more than willing to help those in need but may have queries if they think aid distribution is being handled by a terrorist organisation. How for instance do you stop medical and food aid falling into the hands of Hamas miltants?

Thanks @Scirocco youre right, it’s so important to remember our small actions do have an impact

Are you going to keep ignoring religious extremists in Israel. The ones in their government inflaming this? The lunatic settlers?

One thing people can do is lobby for the release of the Israeli hostages, and for Hamas to surrender. Then the war can be over.

So it can return to the situation pre October 7th?

It's been made clear, repeatedly, that the release of the hostages will not stop Netanyahu's government, and a ceasefire involves everyone stopping trying to kill each other.

Wherever you sit politically, look at this family. Remember them. We cannot save them from what happened, but we can remember them. Many of the people dying in Palestine will have no burial or funeral, no family left to mourn them, no marker to show where they fell. We, the people who remain alive and in relative comfort, owe it to them to remember them. We owe it to them to recognise that what happened to them was wrong and did not have to happen. We owe it to them to see and remember what vengeance, dehumanisation and hate leads to.

Shaban was a toddler when Hamas took power in Gaza. His younger brother wasn't even born. There are thousands of children and young people like them across Gaza, being targeted and killed, or blown up or burned alive in air strikes, or suffering malnutrition and illness. They bear no responsibility for Hamas coming to power or for the atrocities committed by Hamas, yet they are being killed. If there were no alternative, it would still be tragic, as it always is when children die in conflicts. But there were alternatives and there are alternatives. And this is the course of action which has been chosen, defended, supported and facilitated. That is more than tragic. It's reprehensible. So, the world owes it to all the innocent people who are dying unnecessarily, to share their stories, read their names, and remember.

Another thing we to have to avoid in my opinion is the thought that we collectively should have a colonial guilt in the UK for being part of the process of setting up the state of Israel. That is wrong.

It seems some people want to suggest we have an obligation to prioritise aid to this particular conflict (as opposed for example the Syrian conflict) as we are somehow partly to blame having governed the Palestinian mandate decades ago.

I agree aid need a to be supplied to Gazan civilians as far as possible but we don't have some sort of historical obligation to do this; aid should be given simply put of humanitarian compassion not as some sort of atonement.

There are other threads discussing aid, discussing politics and history. Leave that out of this for a moment. Look at this family. Look at them and see the people behind the statistics. See the face of the young man that the world watched burn to death.

I have spent most of my life giving a whole lot of my time, energy and heart to helping others in need. Now, as the world turns away and leaves my loved ones to die, all I'm asking of people is this:

Remember Us... Remember Them.

I choose to remember those innocents murdered on Oct 7th, and those kidnapped by the death cult that is Islamic extremism, a cult which uses its children and innocent people as shields. Give back the hostages , or their bodies and a kind of peace will follow.

The death of any innocent diminishes all of us. It’s a pity people haven’t been marching in solidarity with all the victims of islamic extremism.

This thread and everything else makes me feel so powerless. I can march and donate money but it feels a drop in the ocean. No one listens to me. I hate what is being done to the Palestinian people. I hate what the IDF are doing. I hate the brutality and injustice of it all.

War is awful. But in this case it's obviously the only thing Israel can do to defend itself. If Hamas would give back the hostages and agree to a ceasefire then there's a chance of peace. If not, then Israel has to fight and win. The last thing the world needs is an empowered Islamic fundamentalist state run by terrorists. I wish Western governments were doing more to support Israel.

I still fail to see how bombing displaced people in tents and burning them alive is self-defence. And what more do you want the West to do? Surely arming Israel and turning a blind eye to war crime after war crime is enough "help"?

To the posters trying to derail this thread dedicated to remembering the innocent Palestinians who have endured more than you and I ever could, please don't.

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I'm impressed. In a thread about family torn apart and in which a poster has stated their own loved ones are dying in this conflict, people have already managed to cram an impressive amount of heartlessness in to just 4 pages.

And at this point, it's blatantly clear that people are no longer misunderstanding that there is a difference between Islamic and Islamist, and that people are using this as a deliberate tactic to cause more hurt for people already grieving.

If people have no interest in compassion for dead, dying and traumatised people on account of those people being Muslim or Palestinian, they had the option to ignore the thread, or even block it. Instead, they chose to post to derail, dismiss and stick the knife in further, knowing exactly what they were doing.

Thank you. JazakAllah khair.

You care, and that means a lot.

Right now, knowing that even just a few people might care is pretty much all that's keeping me going. So, thank you.

Israel has done a good job of convincing people this is all about the return of the hostages… please wake up. Israel has been murdering Palestinians for decades before there were any Israeli hostages. If you are so concerned about hostages- what about all the Palestinians, many of them children, taken by Israel and thrown into prison, where they are regularly abused and treated as sub human?

Yeah they don’t matter as much as the Israeli ones do they?

Also self defence? Seriously? I don’t think we can call Israel’s actions self defence any longer. And what about Palestine/Lebanon/Syria’s right for self defence?

Oops sorry I forgot they don’t have that right. Only Israel does?

The hypocrisy is astounding. You like to lecture us on the superiority of Western culture and civilisation by covering up support for Palestinians as Islamic extremism when really the only extremism I can see are these all too prevalent views that Israel is all-good and Palestinians are some kind of stock villain.

What weapons do we send?

The blind support for Israel’s actions is staggering. You can rinse and repeat this comment all you want, it’s hollow.

The exact nature of shipments varies between countries. The UK currently has over 300 arms export licences active for the export of weapons and military components to Israel. A small number were suspended as even the government had to acknowledge that they were being used in circumstances where there was a significant likelihood that they were being used to violate international law.

Again, there are many threads discussing this and other legal/logistical issues. This thread is to share a human face and a human voice of what is being done. If people are unable or unwilling to grant Palestinians and Muslims even that basic decency - to be remembered as people rather than simply statistics - I hope other people reading can see that and consider why it is that this would be respected for other groups but not this group.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/world/middleeast/gaza-escape-burned.html

Shaban was a bright, kind young man. He burned to death in front of the world. The Israeli government claimed he was an actor and his death was fake (eg David Mencer's interview).

That interview was sickening. A new low, even for him.