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"You see us burning, you stay silent..."

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Scirocco · 19/10/2024 16:37

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

Please, read, listen and see what is being done to innocent people here.

Remember them.

Now, perhaps more than at any previous time in history, we can easily know the human cost of hate and violence, and the human cost of looking away.

Remember them. And remember all the other innocent people who have died and continue to die because of hatred and because of apathy.

A selfie taken by Sha'aban al-Dalou showing him and his family. He is a young man of 19 in a blue t-shirt, standing in the foreground, with six relatives aged from childhood to middle age smiling behind him. Some of the children are making thumbs-up ge...

'You see us burning, you stay silent': Family’s agony over mother and sons burned to death in Gaza tent

Ahmed al-Dalou lost his wife and two sons after an Israeli strike burned their tent near Gaza’s Al-Aqsa hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

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gestroopd · 22/10/2024 19:08

STOP BUTING PRODUCTS FROM COMPANIES FEEDING THE ARMY WHICH IS STARVING CHILDREN TO DEATH, when it's not killing them.

Boycott all Israeli products.

If everybody did this, voted with their wallets, it WOULD add pressure.

OhMaria2 · 22/10/2024 19:56

RhannionKPSS · 21/10/2024 21:59

I choose to remember those innocents murdered on Oct 7th, and those kidnapped by the death cult that is Islamic extremism, a cult which uses its children and innocent people as shields. Give back the hostages , or their bodies and a kind of peace will follow.

The shit non peace of before Oct 7th? It's so important that we ignore any and all Palestinian deaths since Israels creation isn't it.
Get a grip.

OhMaria2 · 22/10/2024 20:01

wrongthinker · 21/10/2024 22:09

War is awful. But in this case it's obviously the only thing Israel can do to defend itself. If Hamas would give back the hostages and agree to a ceasefire then there's a chance of peace. If not, then Israel has to fight and win. The last thing the world needs is an empowered Islamic fundamentalist state run by terrorists. I wish Western governments were doing more to support Israel.

Israel has never had prime ministers that were terrorists of course.

gestroopd · 22/10/2024 20:07

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What a load of absolute nonsense!

JaneJeffer · 22/10/2024 23:40

https://youtube.com/shorts/5j8322TjcO8?si=8lSaof-_TDi9cd9s

Sheri99 · 23/10/2024 02:56

Silence1 · 19/10/2024 22:10

@SunriseMonsters I do agree with you about religious extremists in power, I do include Israel in that.

Israel is not an extreme religious state anymore than the US is a extremest religious state.

PeasfullPerson · 23/10/2024 08:43

I’m sure this will have already been shared somewhere, but this seems like a good place to put it.

‘What has happened to the world? What has happened to our sense of justice, of decency, of basic human compassion? How much more suffering do the Palestinian people have to endure before the world says “enough” and finally steps in to stop this? How many more children have to die before the world cares?’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/20/jabalia-refugee-camp-gaza-sister-breaking-point-nightmare

In the Jabalia refugee camp, my sister has reached breaking point. What will it take to stop this nightmare? | Ahmed Najar

Every time I think things can’t get worse in Gaza, they do. But that is what happens when the world turns a blind eye to cruelty, says playwright Ahmed Najar

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/20/jabalia-refugee-camp-gaza-sister-breaking-point-nightmare

PeasfullPerson · 23/10/2024 08:52

There are also some letters in response to the article above in the Guardian today.

I’m sure the majority of people in this world, and our country. don’t want this, so how did we end up in a position where this not only happens, but is also legitimised, by those who lead us.

This is not democracy.

There needs to be new mechanisms in place to ensure leaders act in line with people’s interests and beliefs, and something to stop information being presented in a way which deliberately misleads.

There needs to be more accountability for governments once they are elected. Not here you go, now you’ve got four years (our country as an example) to do as you like.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/22/a-heartbreaking-account-of-life-in-gaza

A heartbreaking account of life in Gaza | Letters

Letters: Rev Graham Murphy says our government’s hands are steeped in this bloody war, and Mimia Umney-Gray asks what has happened to the world

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/22/a-heartbreaking-account-of-life-in-gaza

Auvergne63 · 23/10/2024 08:55

RhannionKPSS · 22/10/2024 21:04

What a load of absolute nonsense!

Care to explain why?

ProgressivePilgrim · 23/10/2024 10:03

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Lalaloveya · 23/10/2024 10:11

The news I've been listening to this morning coming from northern Gaza is absolutely shocking.

Those insisting that it's not a genocide are looking increasingly unhinged. It's clear as day.

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Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 10:23

Quite right! I don't give a shit about any criticism anymore either. The Palestinians have suffered enough at the hands of Israel.
They will not silence us and we will not stop speaking up. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

JaneJeffer · 23/10/2024 11:56

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👏👏👏

Auvergne63 · 23/10/2024 14:59

I was listening to the news at lunchtime. A spokesperson for UNICEF stated that 535 lorries entered the north of Gaza in 20 days. This was the number of lorries entering every day before 07/10.
She also described the hospital she visited and stated that it was the worst level of trauma suffered by children she had ever seen.
Yet the world does nothing. What will it take?

PeasfullPerson · 23/10/2024 16:37

And what horrors have yet to come to light? I bet there are plenty.

Auvergne63 · 23/10/2024 16:51

PeasfullPerson · 23/10/2024 16:37

And what horrors have yet to come to light? I bet there are plenty.

We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. When Netanyahu announced, a year ago, that no press were allowed in Gaza. I feared the worst.

ProgressivePilgrim · 23/10/2024 17:37

Those poor souls 😔

RAplusOne · 24/10/2024 12:02

If only there was something simple that the Palestinians could do today to stop the war?

Like help to release the hostages. And help to hand over the terrorists. And stop stating their wish to eradicate their neighbours (Hammas' actual Raison d'etre).

Any civilisation needs laws to prevent anarchy. Democracy is the will of the majority of the people. In the International community this is the people of the world. Collectively the World says terrorism is unacceptable. Now not everyone in the World agrees with this but THE VAST MAJORITY do so that is the only way that this will proceed.

It's like spoilt children who just need to accept that the Grown Ups are in charge.

Free Palestine from Hammas.

Auvergne63 · 24/10/2024 12:24

RAplusOne · 24/10/2024 12:02

If only there was something simple that the Palestinians could do today to stop the war?

Like help to release the hostages. And help to hand over the terrorists. And stop stating their wish to eradicate their neighbours (Hammas' actual Raison d'etre).

Any civilisation needs laws to prevent anarchy. Democracy is the will of the majority of the people. In the International community this is the people of the world. Collectively the World says terrorism is unacceptable. Now not everyone in the World agrees with this but THE VAST MAJORITY do so that is the only way that this will proceed.

It's like spoilt children who just need to accept that the Grown Ups are in charge.

Free Palestine from Hammas.

I think the Palestinians are too busy trying to stay alive to do what you expect them to . Foraging for food and water, trying to find safety from the indiscriminate bombings, watching their loved ones dying of their wounds or diseases because there are no meds takes it out of you, after a while.
It's like spoilt children who just need to accept that the Grown Ups are in charge.
The trouble with the grown ups is that they are the abusers.
Indeed free Palestine from Hamas and the Israeli government.

Scirocco · 24/10/2024 12:44

"If only there was something simple that the Palestinians could do today to stop the war?"

Israel has been clear that they will continue regardless of what happens to the hostages. A campaign of mass murder, torture, the eradication of a society, occupation and annexation has been chosen by the Israeli government. That is not justice or liberation. It's vengeance, hate and a whole bunch of war crimes.

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RAplusOne · 24/10/2024 13:11

"A campaign of mass murder, torture, the eradication of a society, occupation and annexation has been chosen by the Israeli government. That is not justice or liberation. It's vengeance, hate and a whole bunch of war crimes."

Your words not mine but you must admit this began on October the 7th and was a direct response to Palestinian Genocidal attack of October the 7th.

I agree Israel's response is incredibly heavy handed but the rules of this conflict were set by the Palestinians on October 7th. it's not up to us to decide the proper response - it is Israel's choice to respond how they wish. Like it or not that is the law of war.

You and I only exist today in the West in relative peace due to the massive genocidal deterrent that we have sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Our Prime Minister has instructed the Royal Navy Trident Commander to genocide Russia in the event of an attack. Other branches of HM Forces pocess chemical and biological weapons for the same purpose. It is hypocritical of us in the West (in Nato) to condemn heavy handed military responses when our existence is based on Genocide.

Palestine - talk to the world, we want top help you. We can stop this today. Two state solution? It's on the table. 1. Give back Hostages 2. Renounce violence.

It's not actually occupation, vengeance, hate that Israel requires. Gaza had a great deal of increasing autonomy before October 7th. Hammas is the problem here. The world is unanimous in this - Hammas need to go and then the World will talk. Palestinians listen to what the World is saying - join the World, we want to help you

RAplusOne · 24/10/2024 13:14

Auvergne,

"Indeed free Palestine from Hamas and the Israeli government"

Comment of the day - succinct and concise

Scirocco · 24/10/2024 13:40

@RAplusOne there are international laws about what is ok and what isn't ok in conflict situations. There are significant concerns about what Israel is doing and no, a country doesn't get a free pass to destroy another country or group of people however they want, even if that group has committed terrible wrongs against them. Palestinians have suffered terribly as a result of the Israeli government's approach to them over the decades. That suffering does not justify or excuse the October 7th atrocities, just as the October 7th atrocities do not justify or excuse the atrocities carried out by Israeli forces.

If the world genuinely wants to help Palestine, that would be great. It could start by acting to rein in the multiple war crimes being committed, to ensure aid gets in and civilians in need of evacuation can get out, to let independent journalists and investigators in, to commit to recognition of Palestine and an actual 2-state solution, and to implement peacekeeping, reparations and justice proceedings. That would be a nice start, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Without external pressure, the Israeli government, IDF, 'settlers', and their supporters will continue the current course of action. So if the world wants to help ordinary people in Palestine (who actually don't want violence and don't have any way of liberating hostages to whom they have no access), it needs to stop those groups.

"Join the world... we want to help you" comes across as rather patronising and with a bit of a colonial vibe to it. The Palestinian diaspora is very much 'out here' in the world. Palestinians are people too, like you. The Gaza Strip and West Bank have been occupied, blockaded and isolated, and great efforts go in to keeping connections alive. Palestinians did not reject or abandon the world. The world has rejected and abandoned Palestinians - to Hamas and to Israel.

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