Hamas leader Sinwar dead

[Toomanywars]

Reported just on Sky

My hatred is reserved for the leaders of Hamas and the leaders of the Israeli government.

But anecdotally, friends and acquaintances both here in the UK, mainland Europe and the ME/NA, whatever their political afflictions, seem to HATE what Israel is doing and they use Israel/Jew interchangeably. I even know people who are boycotting Israel brands. My sibling who works for a large bank is part of a group petitioning their employer to stop funding Israeli linked companies using an ESG angle given they are yet to suffer any global sanctions. This won't end well.

@Dulra

"Because the majority of countries aren't denying it is happening or financing it in any way so doesn't attract the same level of debate when all are in agreement that it is horrific"

I don't think anyone is denying the conflict or casualties in Gaza and it certainly has greater media coverage than the conflict in Sudan.

Also there are plenty of other countries financing/ getting involved in Sudan, in particular the UAE, Egypt and Iran.

But I think you have a point that there is little Western involvement thereby reducing the interest of the self hating Western protesters. Plus of course the fact that the majority of the victims of the war and slavery are black and Christian that just like in Nigeria no one seems that interested in.

This sends a clear message to anyone who would want to replicate 7 October attacks and hopefully means similar will never happen again.

What exactly did 7 October gain for him or any of his followers? Stupid man.

A whole new generation of followers and more people to hate the Isreali regime.

@Limesodaagain

"Let’s hope the war will scale down radically and focus on finding the hostages and defeating individual Hamas fighters rather than bombing civilians."

Let's also hope that Israel takes the opportunity to get a significant amount of aid into Northern Gaza.

Do you believe all the reports/figures that comes from the 'lying Hamas health ministry '?

I think people are denying it this post was on the previous page.

I think there will be a large proportion of Palestinians who will despise Hamas and what they have done.

Absolutely. Without aid they will have no future.

Not so sure about that. Many would have witnessed the indiscriminate killings of their fellow countrymen

How is that narcissm?

Many would have had experience of the intimidation and brutality of Hamas. Not to mention the fact that Hamas deliberately engineered this terrible conflict and did nothing to protect the people of Gaza.

Its hard to know when ordinary Palestinians have been so brutalised by their own leaders but there have been glimmers of evidence that many do hold them responsible.

Do you think the death of thousands of innocent people is just a message to a dead man?

Hahahaha.

Ironically.

I do wonder what would've happened in WW2 if we'd had social media?

'Allies are BOMBING DRESDEN! Quick, out in the streets on Saturday!'

A nuclear bomb has halted the Japanese bloodshed, via lesser bloodshed. 'Quick! Condemn America!'

The fact no one cares about Sudan, Syria, Nigeria.

I genuinely want to know why no one was out marching for these actual genocides.

The death of Sinwar does not account for the tens of thousands of innocent fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, children, friends, teachers, medics, ordinary people, that just wanted to go about their lives, that have been killed under Netanyahu’s government.

Sinwar and Netanyahu are one and the same to me, both believing that people are dispensable when it comes to them achieving their own aims. I can’t stand Netanyahu to speak about this like he is victorious and a force for good. Let’s not forget that in his drive to settle the score, he has also become a mass murderer.

I mourn humanity, which never really seems to exist as a shared global concept anyway.

Let's hope so.

Following hamas doesn't lead anywhere good. Surely some people realise that the October 7th attack meant this massive response.

This seems to me, to send a message to people that the answer to death and destruction is even more death and destruction, you just need to make sure you’re on the right side of it.

But yes, a stupid man, who decided to inflict immense pain on innocent people for his cause, while also gambling the lives of the people he was meant to represent.

There has to be a better way.

I hope so too but I think there are probably quite large sections of the population who will have to be de-radicalised as Hamas have been in power for so long. When you look at the books that were found in schools ( UNRWA schools as well) and quite a lot of children have been sent to terrorist training camps at a very young age. But I do have hope. I think a secular government will be essential though.

There are a number of westerners who seem to hate the west. They tend to ignore the freedoms, advantages that come with living in the west though.

A picture on the news of Sinwar today showed him with a very young child and the child was holding a large repeat firing gun. So young.

This does seem like an opportunity for the Palestinians. I know there are still strongmen, but I get the impression that they're localised. Which means they are more free to make their own decisions, rather than be swept along in the status quo, each person feeling unable to change the direction.

Those strongmen - and remaining Hamas members - have a choice. They can either seek personal power and gain, and fill the power vacuum with more of the same in a never-ending battle. Or they can turn away from terrorism, and try to build a future in a way that could actually work: alongside Israel. Stopping missile attacks on Israel and handing over the hostages would show willingness and intent to do that.

I hope they take the opportunity.

You justify the killing of civilians.

I wish but I doubt. Netanyahu will not stop. Even if Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages. 7th Oct was horrific. What has followed has been worse. But one person has benefitted immensely. Benjamin Netanyahu

Palestinians have had many opportunities taken away from them. Lots of people don’t even have the basic necessities to live, thousands of children don’t have parents anymore, and you think this is an opportunity for them to do what? What should they do and where should they start? Would it be a good idea to let them eat and have somewhere safe to sleep before they put all these plans into action?

Why would I justify the killing of Israeli civilians?